Strickland-Oswald 1794 flowing hair dollar

Zoins · September 28, 2015 12:48PM

When Rowland Denys Guy Winn sold his collection as the Major the Lord St. Oswald collection in 1964, some pieces like the 1794 flowing hair silver dollar PCGS MS66+ had been in his family's cabinet since William Strickland picked them up in 1794.

While these are certainly among the coins that stayed the longest in a single family's collection, are there ones that have been in a single family's possession for longer?

Also, what do people think it will sell for?

tradedollarnut · September 28, 2015 1:06PM

The fingerprint 1799 dollar that I now own was in a Boston family collection for nearly 200 years.

In excess of $5M

Zoins · September 28, 2015 1:35PM

That's very cool TDN. It's neat to own items that have been off the market for decades or even centuries. I have a few 19th century items that may never have been publicly offered.

Which major collectors / collections could be interested in acquiring the Strickland-Oswald flowing hair specimen?

lordmarcovan · September 28, 2015 2:00PM

Though I cannot cite any specific examples, I'm sure there are coins in European collections which have stayed in the same family for centuries.

ricko · September 28, 2015 9:55PM

Two of my coins have been in my family for 104 years...

Cheers, RickO

WinLoseWin · September 29, 2015 7:25AM

My guess on the 1794 is $4,993,750, just about the catalog's high estimate.

Here is a link to the lot which has a lot of interesting historical info also:

http://www.stacksbowers.com/BrowseAuctions/LotDetail/tabid/227/AuctionID/6073/Lot/2041/Default.aspx

Ablinky · September 29, 2015 9:34AM

My guess is $5.25 million for the 1794 $1. It's a killer coin.

Zoins · September 30, 2015 10:51AM

<< My guess on the 1794 is $4,993,750, just about the catalog's high estimate.

Here is a link to the lot which has a lot of interesting historical info also:

http://www.stacksbowers.com/BrowseAuctions/LotDetail/tabid/227/AuctionID/6073/Lot/2041/Default.aspx >>

Congrats! Great guess ($4,250,000 + juice)!

WinLoseWin · September 30, 2015 10:52AM

Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker?

Zoins · September 30, 2015 10:56AM

<< Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>

Certainly prize worthy!

It would have been great to win a gold Pogue sale token! - but alas, there aren't any.

tradedollarnut · September 30, 2015 11:14AM

<< Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>

Nicely done!

Zoins · October 3, 2015 6:51AM

Congrats to Laura for winning this awesome coin!

Hopefully the new client will start building up a great collection!

Zoins · October 4, 2015 3:36AM

In doing more reading about this coin, here's some history the collectors:

It was first acquired by William Strickland, 6th Baron Boynton, (February 18, 1753 – January 8, 1834) during his travels to the US where he met with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams.

It was sold from the family by Roland Winn, 4th Baron St Oswald (September 19, 1916 – December 19, 1984) in 1964.

The family peerage extends back to Henry II when they were gifted lands around 1170-1180. The Strickland name has been in use (at least) since the 12th century. The family has had members in Parliament since the earliest days and Roland Winn was a member of the House of Lords.

Is there a photo of the family's 18th century Thomas Chippendale coin cabinet available?

Zoins · October 4, 2015 3:57AM

Okay, this is pretty cool.

William Strickland and George Washington are related and both direct descendents of the Stricklands.

The George Washington connection was made when Joan De Strickland (1272–1352) married Robert De Wessington. Given that the Stricklands were land owners and had been members of Parliament since the earliest days, Washington does have a connection to the peerage of England.

I'm wondering if William Strickland and George Washington knew they were related when they met? Perhaps Washington even got to hold 1794 flowing hair dollar. The provenance of this coin is getting more interesting

Zoins · October 4, 2015 3:59AM

double post.

Connecticoin · October 6, 2015 1:27AM

<< 

<< Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>

Nicely done! >>

So I take it that the winning bidder was not you, or was it? I was thinking you still needed one that was not "SP"

tradedollarnut · October 6, 2015 7:18AM

Not me. No need for $5M dupes.

Pistareen · October 6, 2015 9:25AM

<< Is there a photo of the family's 18th century Thomas Chippendale coin cabinet available? >>

Yessir.

The Nostell Priory cabinet by Chippendale

Pistareen · October 6, 2015 9:28AM

The Nostell Priory Cabinet by Chippendale

MrEureka · October 6, 2015 1:02PM

Not me. No need for $5M dupes.

Hey, it's your money, but I find that things like that can be useful as trade bait.

Zoins · October 6, 2015 1:13PM

<< 

<< Is there a photo of the family's 18th century Thomas Chippendale coin cabinet available? >>

Yessir.

The Nostell Priory cabinet by Chippendale

>>

That's very awesome. It's nice to know that this was commissioned in 1767 by Roland Winn, 5th Baronet (24 Feb 1739 - 20 Feb 1785), the same name as Roland Winn, 4th Baron St Oswald, that sold this coin from the family. This indicates that William Strickland is from a family of prominent coin collectors and was not some random person that happened to pick up a few coins in the US.

It's also very interesting that the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Barons St Oswald are all named Roland Winn. And I thought the Garrett pedigree was neat. Imagine giving the pedigree for this coin as William Strickland, Roland Winn, Roland Winn, Roland Winn, and Roland Winn

- that's just an example, haven't looked into the exact pedigree lineage.

CaptHenway · October 6, 2015 1:18PM

<< Hey, I called the 1794 $ price exactly! What do I win Bob Barker? >>

Well played, Sir! Well played!

Analyst · October 8, 2015 8:20AM

Pistareen: <<Yessir.

The Nostell Priory cabinet by Chippendale>>

This is really cool! So, was this cabinet a former home of the Oswald-Hayes-Pogue 1794 dollar and of all the other 1794-95 Oswald U.S. coins that Christie's auctioned in 1964?

Win: <<My guess on the 1794 is $4,993,750, just about the catalog's high estimate.>>

Perhaps Win will explain his insights.

Although this was a strong price, it was not one of the stronger prices in the auction. I believe that more than one dealer would have been willing to inventory the coin at a price between 3.5 and 4.1 (including the 17.5%). Intense bidding propelled the early tens to high levels. A few of the quarter eagles brought very strong to extremely strong prices.

Also, the quality of the Oswald-Hayes-Pogue 1794 exceeded expectations. The pictures in the Hayes catalogue do not give the impression that it is a gem coin. Few people have seen the coin since 1985, even fewer since it was briefly displayed in 2001. Auction bidders and fans did not know what to expect. It turned out to be a terrific coin, much better than rumors indicated. It was pleasure to examine the Oswald-Hayes-Pogue 1794.

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