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BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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That PCGS gave to this 1917 Walker!

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    ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU 53
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Something doesn't look right about it, but it may be the photos or from the paint fumes I've been breathing all morning....
    Not your normal primo examples or photography, Tom - trick question? Genuine AU (50) details?? XF45?





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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It graded? Straight grade?

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50 cleaned.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    50 just on the details.
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50


    Hoard the keys.
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    georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    45
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    BodinBodin Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭
    AU details
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU53....Cheers, RickO
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    DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU55. Sure is a weird pic for the normal ones Tom does. That might just be the point . . . . it has a weird look?

    Wow . . could be about anything. It has 53-55 details, but the pic shows zero luster . . .

    Drunner
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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Difficult from those pics, just hard to get a feel for it and whether it shows any luster or not... I'll go VF35

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go "VF" of some type.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF45 details, cleaned. VF30, cleaned by my standards.
    All glory is fleeting.
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    3keepSECRETif2rDEAD3keepSECRETif2rDEAD Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PR50 or impaired proof??? No idea, just a long shot guess image
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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PR50 or impaired proof??? No idea, just a long shot guess image >>



    Now that would be something to see! image
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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    VF Details - 92
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tough crowd. image
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    au55 after i lightened up this image...

    speaking of saving this image to lighten it enough to see the coin

    "oh my...they are ruff on this example ".....if the "image title" is right
    did you forget to send out xmas cards last year or something?
    image

    no need to change your user title to ..."walkerologist" anytime soon
    as the walker gods aren't happy with you for some reason

    i take it you didn't sacrifice your 1st born to the walker god...yet...if the title is right

    that's horrible & shameful disrespect there for a grade
    or
    one heck of an upgrade story to be told
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF25. I figure it's got to be something really silly.
    Lance.
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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess the good news is that from VF to AU, the value is not much difference. That said, tough grade for sure!
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AU55. Sure is a weird pic for the normal ones Tom does. That might just be the point . . . . it has a weird look?

    Wow . . could be about anything. It has 53-55 details, but the pic shows zero luster . . .

    Drunner >>



    I could have just bought it and not had the coin in hand for pics yet!.image
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unfortunately the images are not helping the cause and that is all we have as a basis to offer an opinion.

    So its punt formation... even though I don't feel I have used three downs. Sorry...

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Larger images.
    Lance.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
    53
    Larry

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    ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is an odd picture, but it does looks like a 45 or 50 to me.

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    OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU53 if they were generous that day. I can't really assess the rub on the high points from the pictures. Thanks for posting it.

    OINK
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    TheDukeKTheDukeK Posts: 359 ✭✭✭
    XF45 possibly a code 92
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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45(ish)
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    mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    i'd give up submitting if i got that back on a submission
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


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    jedmjedm Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good call Lance! My first impression was 30 or 35... when I saw all the AU's I didn't know what to think.
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    Michael4692Michael4692 Posts: 89
    If you really want a Gold CAC sticker, now is your chance. That pup is waaaay undergraded. It's an AU coin any day of the week.
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    DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, send those graders back to grading school. How can that grade possibly be justified unless every bit of luster has been dipped off?

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin was graded probably >25 years ago....Ok, they were a tad stricter back then, but not that strict!
    It is a relatively low value coin, with little difference in price between grades, so perhaps little thought was put into it.
    Now if that coin were a 17S Obv, it'd be a whole different story!

    On the flip side, probably around the same time that coin was graded, I found a beautiful original lightly toned 17P at a small show
    in Ohio. The dealer had it marked 'slider', and was firm at $50. A dealer acquaintance of mine, who is now a big shot at Heritage,
    offered $45 and the dealer passed; I immediately paid up the $50 for it. NGC later gave it a rather generous grade of MS63!



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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with the grade and was thinking VF-ish when first looking at the coin photos. -- Today it could grade VF-30 to XF-40.

    From a commercial perspective there's very little pricing spread between VF-30 and XF-40.

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This one graded xf40 not too long ago.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I believe it is better than a 25.... and would still think 50's....Cheers, RickO
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What gets me is that 2 graders AND a finalizer [IIRC a finalizer sees all coins] all agreed to that grade. Must be something about it we can't see I guess.
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe they had all just come from an EAC convention image

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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,595 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, I was leaning towards XF40, but thought it looked funny so I net graded it down to VF35 in my guess... perhaps the graders who saw it in hand net graded it down even further for some reason as it certainly has details better than 25.


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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a coin that was graded (and very possibly net graded) quite awhile back. VF25 seems to be much like AU53 in that coins with "minor" problems often end up with that grade. By wear, the coin is better than 25.
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a coin that was graded (and very possibly net graded) quite awhile back. VF25 seems to be much like AU53 in that coins with "minor" problems often end up with that grade. By wear, the coin is better than 25. >>



    I was aware that they often net graded key dates and better date coins, but common widgets?
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it had enough 'issues' to warrant a grade drop from XF/AU to low VF, it should have been body bagged.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I completely agree with the last post...

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Looks like a coin that was graded (and very possibly net graded) quite awhile back. VF25 seems to be much like AU53 in that coins with "minor" problems often end up with that grade. By wear, the coin is better than 25. >>



    I was aware that they often net graded key dates and better date coins, but common widgets? >>



    It is difficult to know what the grading service graders were thinking. This coin was graded many years back and their attitude toward such coins could have changed. Coins that aren't quite right are a real problem when grading because personal opinion plays such an important role. I have never been a professional grader but, twenty years ago I would probably have been much more forgiving of a coin like that than I am today. Today I don't want to see any problems with a coin and i am very unforgiving if they have them.
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