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What do you consider to be a "master" Heritage set, or is there such a thing ? Every year I see ebay offers for master sets that involve these components...500 base set with the SPs, and 4 of the insert sets--Baseball Flashbacks/News Flash Backs/Then & Now/ New Age Performers. Here is an example
For every year through 2015 I have those components of each set. Through 2010 I also have all the "variations" to the 500 card sets as listed on this site:
After 2010, the number ( green tints for example) and scarcity of some of the SSPs made the task seem impractical to me from both a time and expense standpoint.
I know too there are Chromes and panels and other related products which I have not fully pursued with each set.
Does anyone here collect what they consider "master' Heritage sets, and if so what do you include in them ( it might have been better to start a new thread on this)
Welp, it's been a good season for Heritage. Anyone up for some higher end trades? Here is what I have
2015
Mays Stamp /50 Dee Gordon Gold Refractor /5 Jose Hernandez Gold Refractor /5 Gordon Richardson Red Ink Auto Roger Craig Red Ink Auto Aaron Sanchez Blue Ink Auto Yasiel Puig Auto/ GU Redemption Miggy Black Ref /66 Pujols Black Ref /66 Iwakuma Black Ref /66 Brandon Phillips ERR
I have all the Topps regular sets whose format is replicated in the Heritage sets. In my regular sets I have made them all master sets, which for me meant including any variations listed in SCD, Becketts or The Registry. While opinions may differ on whether other variations should be added or some that are included taken out, generally that is what constitutes a master set for the traditional Topps sets.
What would be the rationale for excluding variations from the definition of a Heritage master set. I realize that most if not all Heritage variations/errors are "manufactured", but still wonder why it has become accepted to exclude them from a Heritage master set. And, for that matter why the 4 subsets are included but stuff like Chromes, panels
Not seeking an argument about all this, only to understand the rationale from an overall hobby standpoint. Is there a difference between a "master" set and a "super" set
wow, Magellan, that is such an aesthetically pleasing autograph!
Congrats
I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
<< <i>I have all the Topps regular sets whose format is replicated in the Heritage sets. In my regular sets I have made them all master sets, which for me meant including any variations listed in SCD, Becketts or The Registry. While opinions may differ on whether other variations should be added or some that are included taken out, generally that is what constitutes a master set for the traditional Topps sets.
What would be the rationale for excluding variations from the definition of a Heritage master set. I realize that most if not all Heritage variations/errors are "manufactured", but still wonder why it has become accepted to exclude them from a Heritage master set. And, for that matter why the 4 subsets are included but stuff like Chromes, panels
Not seeking an argument about all this, only to understand the rationale from an overall hobby standpoint. Is there a difference between a "master" set and a "super" set >>
The cost to complete.
And the scarcity of the SSPs, Black bordered chromes, etc. Also, the Set has at least 20-25 different sub-sets, I think there needs to be a reasonable cut-off.
Why stop at variations, panels and chrome, what about the stamp cards, coin cards, mini card sub set, autos...the list goes on and on, just look at the sell sheet. That would be very costly and difficult to complete. And then go do it again the following year.
Just my opinion, the four sub-sets can be found in case (or very close to complete), the other stuff is novelty to sell product and give the Sell Sheet some buzz...
You are correct in the sense of a TRUE master set....but with modern sets, a TRUE master would include every autograph, every parallel (which some are numbered 1/5) and some of the cut autographs in this set are 1/1, so no one really seriously tries for that super duper true master. Although i do know a guy working on a 2012 SUPER DUPER master, but thats a special kind of masochism.
When heritage folks refer to MASTER set, they really typically mean the attainable cards, which excludes the parallels, and relics and autos.
MASTER heritage sets typically refer to the basic 1-500 (base + short prints) and the insert sets (3-5 depending on the year). Sometimes there are retail exclusives like koufax/ryan this year, or red/blue borders in the past....these aren't normally in the master set either.
but the great thing about collecting is everyone can build whatever they want and decide for themselves. With more parallels, and many more varying degrees of super short prints and manufactured errors in recent years, heritage has gotten more complicated.
Parker and Mick---thanks for the responses. I get the virtual impossibility and expense of all the extra stuff. But if for example I collect a master 1967 Topps set, it is the base set and any hobby recognized variations ( I realize there may be some differences among SCD, Beckett and The Registry on what "official" variations are recognized for the set). A master Topps set would not include pack inserts or test sets from that year, like for example the 67 Punch Outs. And a 1984 master set would not include Tiffany. So my question goes really to why the master set does not include variations to the "basic" 500 set. Maybe the fact that such variations and their rarity are intentional ? Expense and rarity alone is not a criteria on the regular sets. If you want a master 1952 set you need a Campos black star and two Mantles
Also thanks to Marc ( mikescmidt) for telling how in the heck to find page 39 of this thread
I haven't collected Heritage in two years, but I am now interested in putting together the chrome /999 set for 2015 Heritage.
As I am just starting, I still need them all. If you have a lot of these, laying around and occupying much needed space, please let me know as I'd be interested in buying at the right price.
I'll be checking my messages constantly, thanks again!
The "master" moniker for heritage really just happened...when first it came out in 2001, master meant all base cards, all variations, and all basic inserts (classic renditions, nap, t&n) and all short prints. it was a way to distinguish between just the "base" set and a set that had the base plus the shorter prints and usual extras. Even in 2001 there were 110 chromes, 51 autos (in red and blue varieties), clubhouse collection relics, army relics, and the mays so-called "auto-proof" buyback auto....all of which weren't typically considered part of the master.
"Master" has no perfect definition...it could mean something different to each collector. I suppose your idea of a "super" set would mean a copy of every possible item that was issued with a particular set.
A Master t206 might mean 524 to some, 520 to others and 518 to others. a super set would most likely be the 4000 different front/back combinations.
Back to heritage, the master moniker seemed to be more clear in the older years...in recent years (starting in 2008 with the super short prints) the term has a little more varied meaning from collector to collector. Where does one draw the line? are ssp's part of master? What about medium and harder level variations like the color variations (hard), throwback (insanely hard), and action variations (easy)?
Everyone has to make their choice, but the bare minimum that seems to be universally agreed on is that a master will at least include all base cards, the regular short prints (75 per year since 2008), and the 4-5 basic inserts that are typically found in every other pack (new age, flashback, news, then&now, etc).
Personally, I like that there are lots of variations to possibly chase, but i am lucky in that i can avoid chasing the tough pulls without becoming worried or obsessed that my set isn't "complete". I know a lot of folks don't have that ability!
Thanks for the response Parker. I have a Topps set run from 48 and 51 to 2015. I have tried to do all them in master form, which for me included any variations recognized in SCD, Beckett or the Registry. In some sets, but not all, I have also pursued the back stock variants. Diehards would also include them in a master set
I have all the Heritage sets and have them in master form as you defined it. Up through 2010 I also did any variations. Starting in 2011 the vast number of variations, and their designed scarcity, caused me to drop that endeavor. But as a carry over from my regular Topps sets, I think a master should include all variations, but not the typical insert sets included in Heritage master sets. For many/most Topps sets there insert sets and test sets. Although I collect all of them, up to 1994, I do not treat them as part of a master set, and think that is how most of the hobby agrees.
But as you say, to each their own, there is no official hobby standard I am aware of. Thanks again for the response
Still looking for 2015 Heritage Chromes /999. Now down to 35, any help is greatly appreciated!
1 Buster Posey - San Francisco Giants 70 Yoenis Cespedes - Boston Red Sox 100 Clayton Kershaw - Los Angeles Dodgers 150 Michael Brantley - Cleveland Indians 270 Hyun-Jin Ryu - Los Angeles Dodgers 275 Yadier Molina - St. Louis Cardinals 300 Andrew McCutchen - Pittsburgh Pirates 350 Masahiro Tanaka - New York Yankees 426 Giancarlo Stanton - Miami Marlins 431 Billy Hamilton - Cincinnati Reds 432 Adam LaRoche - Washington Nationals 433 Jered Weaver - Los Angeles Angels 434 Todd Frazier - Cincinnati Reds 440 Bryce Harper - Washington Nationals 444 Jose Bautista - Toronto Blue Jays 450 Yasiel Puig - Los Angeles Dodgers 451 Joey Votto - Cincinnati Reds 462 Felix Hernandez - Seattle Mariners 463 Jose Fernandez - Miami Marlins 464 Jose Reyes - Toronto Blue Jays 465 David Price - Detroit Tigers 468 Zack Greinke - Los Angeles Dodgers 469 Max Scherzer - Detroit Tigers 473 Adrian Gonzalez - Los Angeles Dodgers 477 Ian Desmond - Washington Nationals 480 David Ortiz - Boston Red Sox 481 Hisashi Iwakuma - Seattle Mariners 485 Chris Carter - Houston Astros 486 Christian Yelich - Miami Marlins 490 Cole Hamels - Philadelphia Phillies 492 Jeff Samardzija - Oakland Athletics 495 Justin Verlander - Detroit Tigers 496 Albert Pujols - Los Angeles Angels 499 Dustin Pedroia - Boston Red Sox 500 Mike Trout - Los Angeles Angels
Here's my updated list. Was able to pick off a few SP and variations at the Natty for a good price. Would like to concentrate on the base, SP and the remaining variation and T&N before trying to hit the chromes and Koufax set. These are all Dodgers, by the way.
Base set: 374 443 473 Action Image: 473 Color Swap: 100 New Age Performer: Kershaw Then & Now: 9 Chrome: 75 438 441 443 450 468 473 Koufax: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
Any idea how many chromes will be in the high number set? None of the so-called checklists I've seen have a definite number; they just say there will be chromes, etc.
I just received a notice from both Blowout Cards and UPS that my five boxes of the high number series should be delivered between 2:15 and 6:15 on Tuesday, September 29. (Shipped from Chantilly, VA, to the Phoenix area.)
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For every year through 2015 I have those components of each set. Through 2010 I also have all the "variations" to the 500 card sets as listed on this site:
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After 2010, the number ( green tints for example) and scarcity of some of the SSPs made the task seem impractical to me from both a time and expense standpoint.
I know too there are Chromes and panels and other related products which I have not fully pursued with each set.
Does anyone here collect what they consider "master' Heritage sets, and if so what do you include in them ( it might have been better to start a new thread on this)
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Jim, I still have your chromes sitting here, have been busy with lawn/garden since returning from FL.
Got this in the mail today;
Now collecting:
Topps Heritage
1957 Topps BB Ex+-NM
All Yaz Items 7+
Various Red Sox
Did I leave anything out?
Guys I am still in need of some purple if you have any from my list lets try and work something out.
451 Joey Votto
456 Doug Fister
495 Justin Verlander
2015
Mays Stamp /50
Dee Gordon Gold Refractor /5
Jose Hernandez Gold Refractor /5
Gordon Richardson Red Ink Auto
Roger Craig Red Ink Auto
Aaron Sanchez Blue Ink Auto
Yasiel Puig Auto/ GU Redemption
Miggy Black Ref /66
Pujols Black Ref /66
Iwakuma Black Ref /66
Brandon Phillips ERR
2001 Todd Helton Chrome /552
2001 Aubrey Huff Autograph
2013
Chase Hadley Black Ref /64
Freddy Freeman Black back
Jarrod Parker Black back
Thanks
Waalt
My needs:
Chrome: 139, 140, 400, 439, 445, 446, 450, 458, 464, 469, 486.
Refractors: 1, 139, 356, 400, 433, 451, 454, 458, 468, 478, 487.
I have duplicates:
Chrome: 25, 75, 250, 260, 310, 320(2), 340, 429, 430, 435, 436, 441, 447, 452, 453, 454, 455, 457(2), 467, 470, 474, 478, 483, 487, 491, 493(2).
Refractors: 452, 455, 460, 463, 471, 474, 481, 490, 491.
Purples: 50(3), 60, 70(2), 75, 140, 310, 320, 433, 439, 443, 444, 446(2), 457(2), 458, 459, 468, 470(3), 471, 476(3), 479, 482, 484, 486, 490, 491(2), 496.
I also have all base cards, most inserts, and many panels available to trade.
Thanks to all with whom I have had recent trades.
Bob
What would be the rationale for excluding variations from the definition of a Heritage master set. I realize that most if not all Heritage variations/errors are "manufactured", but still wonder why it has become accepted to exclude them from a Heritage master set. And, for that matter why the 4 subsets are included but stuff like Chromes, panels
Not seeking an argument about all this, only to understand the rationale from an overall hobby standpoint. Is there a difference between a "master" set and a "super" set
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
Congrats
<< <i>I have all the Topps regular sets whose format is replicated in the Heritage sets. In my regular sets I have made them all master sets, which for me meant including any variations listed in SCD, Becketts or The Registry. While opinions may differ on whether other variations should be added or some that are included taken out, generally that is what constitutes a master set for the traditional Topps sets.
What would be the rationale for excluding variations from the definition of a Heritage master set. I realize that most if not all Heritage variations/errors are "manufactured", but still wonder why it has become accepted to exclude them from a Heritage master set. And, for that matter why the 4 subsets are included but stuff like Chromes, panels
Not seeking an argument about all this, only to understand the rationale from an overall hobby standpoint. Is there a difference between a "master" set and a "super" set
The cost to complete.
And the scarcity of the SSPs, Black bordered chromes, etc. Also, the Set has at least 20-25 different sub-sets, I think there needs to be a reasonable cut-off.
Why stop at variations, panels and chrome, what about the stamp cards, coin cards, mini card sub set, autos...the list goes on and on, just look at the sell sheet. That would be very costly and difficult to complete. And then go do it again the following year.
Just my opinion, the four sub-sets can be found in case (or very close to complete), the other stuff is novelty to sell product and give the Sell Sheet some buzz...
You are correct in the sense of a TRUE master set....but with modern sets, a TRUE master would include every autograph, every parallel (which some are numbered 1/5) and some of the cut autographs in this set are 1/1, so no one really seriously tries for that super duper true master. Although i do know a guy working on a 2012 SUPER DUPER master, but thats a special kind of masochism.
When heritage folks refer to MASTER set, they really typically mean the attainable cards, which excludes the parallels, and relics and autos.
MASTER heritage sets typically refer to the basic 1-500 (base + short prints) and the insert sets (3-5 depending on the year). Sometimes there are retail exclusives like koufax/ryan this year, or red/blue borders in the past....these aren't normally in the master set either.
but the great thing about collecting is everyone can build whatever they want and decide for themselves. With more parallels, and many more varying degrees of super short prints and manufactured errors in recent years, heritage has gotten more complicated.
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here is what i need:
Refractors #/566 (9): 250 260Bum 275 435Polanco 437 439 443 454Machado 464
2015 sp: 449,459,500
2015 chrome: 1 25 50 60 70 100 110 139 140 260 275 300 340 350 375 400 427 428 431 432 433 437 438 439 440 444 445 446 448 449 450 452 454 457 459 462 464 465 467 471 472 474 475 476 480 482 486 489 495 496 499 500
2015 purple: 100 250 350 356 436 440 450 451 466 469 477 480 481 483
thx, jim
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Also thanks to Marc ( mikescmidt) for telling how in the heck to find page 39 of this thread
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
PM sent. Please see my duplicate list also on page 39.
Bob
Got this info. from a reliable source today. 2015 heritage 1951 baseball collection. Box set of 104 cards. Will contain 21 mini parallels
and 1 auto. Minis will look like the regular card in the set. Minis have different colored backs. Box will contain 10 red, 5 blue, 3 green,
2 black, and 1 gold which would make the 21 total per box. Street date 10/28/15. Craig in Ohio
451 Joey Votto
456 Doug Fister
495 Justin Verlander
I haven't collected Heritage in two years, but I am now interested in putting together the chrome /999 set for 2015 Heritage.
As I am just starting, I still need them all. If you have a lot of these, laying around and occupying much needed space, please let me know as I'd be interested in buying at the right price.
I'll be checking my messages constantly, thanks again!
Lee
My Sandberg topps basic set
My Sandberg Topps Master set
The "master" moniker for heritage really just happened...when first it came out in 2001, master meant all base cards, all variations, and all basic inserts (classic renditions, nap, t&n) and all short prints. it was a way to distinguish between just the "base" set and a set that had the base plus the shorter prints and usual extras. Even in 2001 there were 110 chromes, 51 autos (in red and blue varieties), clubhouse collection relics, army relics, and the mays so-called "auto-proof" buyback auto....all of which weren't typically considered part of the master.
"Master" has no perfect definition...it could mean something different to each collector. I suppose your idea of a "super" set would mean a copy of every possible item that was issued with a particular set.
A Master t206 might mean 524 to some, 520 to others and 518 to others. a super set would most likely be the 4000 different front/back combinations.
Back to heritage, the master moniker seemed to be more clear in the older years...in recent years (starting in 2008 with the super short prints) the term has a little more varied meaning from collector to collector. Where does one draw the line? are ssp's part of master? What about medium and harder level variations like the color variations (hard), throwback (insanely hard), and action variations (easy)?
Everyone has to make their choice, but the bare minimum that seems to be universally agreed on is that a master will at least include all base cards, the regular short prints (75 per year since 2008), and the 4-5 basic inserts that are typically found in every other pack (new age, flashback, news, then&now, etc).
Personally, I like that there are lots of variations to possibly chase, but i am lucky in that i can avoid chasing the tough pulls without becoming worried or obsessed that my set isn't "complete". I know a lot of folks don't have that ability!
- jim
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LMK if you can help. Can trade base, highs, chromes and foil.
Thanks
Jim
I have all the Heritage sets and have them in master form as you defined it. Up through 2010 I also did any variations. Starting in 2011 the vast number of variations, and their designed scarcity, caused me to drop that endeavor. But as a carry over from my regular Topps sets, I think a master should include all variations, but not the typical insert sets included in Heritage master sets. For many/most Topps sets there insert sets and test sets. Although I collect all of them, up to 1994, I do not treat them as part of a master set, and think that is how most of the hobby agrees.
But as you say, to each their own, there is no official hobby standard I am aware of. Thanks again for the response
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
1, 70, 100, 150, 270, 275, 300, 350, 375, 426, 431, 432, 433, 434, 440, 444, 448, 449, 450, 451,
462, 463, 464, 465, 466, 468, 469, 473, 477, 480, 481, 484, 485, 486, 490, 492, 495, 496,
499 and 500.
Thanks!
Still looking for 2015 Heritage Chromes /999. Now down to 35, any help is greatly appreciated!
1 Buster Posey - San Francisco Giants
70 Yoenis Cespedes - Boston Red Sox
100 Clayton Kershaw - Los Angeles Dodgers
150 Michael Brantley - Cleveland Indians
270 Hyun-Jin Ryu - Los Angeles Dodgers
275 Yadier Molina - St. Louis Cardinals
300 Andrew McCutchen - Pittsburgh Pirates
350 Masahiro Tanaka - New York Yankees
426 Giancarlo Stanton - Miami Marlins
431 Billy Hamilton - Cincinnati Reds
432 Adam LaRoche - Washington Nationals
433 Jered Weaver - Los Angeles Angels
434 Todd Frazier - Cincinnati Reds
440 Bryce Harper - Washington Nationals
444 Jose Bautista - Toronto Blue Jays
450 Yasiel Puig - Los Angeles Dodgers
451 Joey Votto - Cincinnati Reds
462 Felix Hernandez - Seattle Mariners
463 Jose Fernandez - Miami Marlins
464 Jose Reyes - Toronto Blue Jays
465 David Price - Detroit Tigers
468 Zack Greinke - Los Angeles Dodgers
469 Max Scherzer - Detroit Tigers
473 Adrian Gonzalez - Los Angeles Dodgers
477 Ian Desmond - Washington Nationals
480 David Ortiz - Boston Red Sox
481 Hisashi Iwakuma - Seattle Mariners
485 Chris Carter - Houston Astros
486 Christian Yelich - Miami Marlins
490 Cole Hamels - Philadelphia Phillies
492 Jeff Samardzija - Oakland Athletics
495 Justin Verlander - Detroit Tigers
496 Albert Pujols - Los Angeles Angels
499 Dustin Pedroia - Boston Red Sox
500 Mike Trout - Los Angeles Angels
I think I will be,
i am looking to finish off some base sets and need these:
3, 11x4, 21, 22, 25, 44x3, 45, 48, 50, 52x4, 84x3, 88, 98x2, 100x2, 107x2, 109x2, 118, 125x2, 136, 138, 139, 145, 150, 152, 155, 160, 169, 185, 195, 209x3, 212, 216, 281x2, 296x2, 307, 339, 340x2, 346, 350x2, 355, 356x3, 358x2, 361, 362x2, 365, 372, 377, 383, 391, 401, 414, 424x3
thanks, jim.
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Base set: 374 443 473
Action Image: 473
Color Swap: 100
New Age Performer: Kershaw
Then & Now: 9
Chrome: 75 438 441 443 450 468 473
Koufax: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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This was the other box hit:
To top it all off, last week I grabbed a blaster case of 2013 Heritage and this was in it:
It's been a few good weeks!
fyi, got a case of high numbers coming today.
looking to trade folks!
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