What's the snake for any way? Does it sympbolize the politicians in Washington? You can vote them out, but nothing changes.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Athena (blindfold-wearer) is Justice, StG's Nike is Victory.... The sword and the serpent? What was that book about? Mexican 50 Peso motif, or St. Patrick in drag? She looks like she, still in costume AND character, came directly off the set of Game of Thrones, or at least a very poorly-done online game avatar. They also seem to have gone out of their way to find a finish that would obscure anything. Coin has almost negative albedo (astronomers?). My first doctoring experiments (besides erasers) involved mercury. The finish is what they looked like the next morning. I never thought to experiment on a matte surface, especially one with the granularity of oatmeal, but this artist is doing ground-breaking synthesis. If I'm wrong about the mercury issue, then it might take color.
What a way to kick-start my day . . .
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I wonder who C. Alolkoy is, and what role Dan Carr had in this piece. I also did not realize that some refer to themselves as Birthers, with a capital B.
This was a commissioned piece. It was not my concept or design, although I did modify the original design proposal. Here is a better picture (below). The body of Liberty is an accurate replication of the St. Gaudens design. However, any time an existing artwork is significantly enlarged, the design will start to become somewhat fuzzy. The original double eagle was 34mm in diameter. This is a 50mm medal. The "lathe marks" (light concentric rings) are something that I struggled with for a long time on my engraving machine. But I recently solved that problem (some time after engraving this die).
The last picture below is a rendering of a 3D digital sculpture, which was the original design produced by the first artist that was hired to do the job. So you can see that what I had to work with was undesirable.
At first I had absolutely zero interest in this. But they're offering a free plastic capsule with the Coin. It's nothing like a Chinese polished mini wooden casket, but the offer is so so tempting.
<< <i>It'd be hilarious to see how quickly the technology sector in the US would collapse after they kick out all the non "natural born citizens." >>
The so-called "birther" movement (which I am not a participant in, other than the business of making this commissioned medal) is not about kicking people out of the country. But they do contend that a person must be a "natural born citizen" to be eligible for the office of President, as I understand it.
<< <i>I wonder who C. Alolkoy is, and what role Dan Carr had in this piece. I also did not realize that some refer to themselves as Birthers, with a capital B. >>
I did this as my Jumble exercise today, but could not find an anagram for D A N C A R R in the letter string C A L O L K O Y. Was it the imbedded LOL that distracted me?
I could believe that Dan has the requisite irony to have allowed this wording imbedded as an artistic red-alert, but not with that lettering style, nonono.
Dan would have too much compassion to let a kindergartener's art-work be displayed with the MFAs. Or the 4th-graders
Thinking out loud.
Is this silver? Play-Doh? Thinking it might be 3-D printing (likely plastic, but silver would utilizable). Looks like the work of the guy who printed out hand guns in 3D plastic a couple of years ago. Lots of politics on that one, and IIRC very funny As well as telling) in the end.
Directions on how to 3D-print guns on the Internet. What a scandal!!!! Anti-gun nuts and paleo-liberals gasp.... Part of the right wing conspiracy . Tea Party "YAY" Libertarians YAY. Wayne LaPierre "YAY"
The brilliant kid who did this had studied lots of different philosophies to help him refine his own. He saw the simple natural organic beauty of growth and creative destruction and its cycles. He saw this particular invention/process as creative nihilism. Said people sort of got him right, but not for all the right reasons, and sometimes for the wrong one.
BTW, you can also find instructions on the net about the theory and practice of assembling a small nuclear device. I'm glad this guy thought small.
I could say more, but as I type down a line and more of the image comes into view, I find the urge to get up, spin around counter-clockwise and smack myself on my optic nerves (twice), to be, at this instant, irresistible. Hopefully, the Visine will wash away the toxins in my tears.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I don't like the faux-US coins you make but I have to say that I actually laughed when I saw what you were you given to work with. The face on Lady Liberty (and the snake!) on the initial design is just hilarious. And the fact that the snake was labeled Obama... Actually, I sort of wish they had struck the original token because it was so bad it might have become a classic. But, I think you managed to make chicken salad out of another, generally less-desired product of chickens!
In 2015 it is disturbing to see that the "birther" business still has enough of a following to generate a medal of this sort. I have run into folks of this ilk and never cease to be amazed that supposedly intelligent people can fall for this right wing nonsense.
That said, the medal will probably be sought after in the future because its content makes it more interesting than most medals.
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
What's the snake for any way? Does it symbolize the politicians in Washington? You can vote them out, but nothing changes. >>
Coin collectors may see a connection between the snake as depicted and that of St. George slaying the dragon on British sovereigns, or Catholics may see a resemblance to St. Michael the Archangel, but the archetype goes back to Moses relating the eviction from the Garden of Eden and traces back even further to the Greek creation myths. With such a weighty mythological past, it's disappointing that the snake was depicted as someone as mundane as Barack Obama and over such a trivial matter where no such dispute even exists. Ah, but it goes with the territory. I'm sure any day that Daniel Carr gets a commission is a good day.
<< <i>It'd be hilarious to see how quickly the technology sector in the US would collapse after they kick out all the non "natural born citizens." >>
So let it collapse . They can buck up and join the rest of the country in the current recession . I buy a tv every other decade and my cellphone is from 2007 I won't even notice.
<< <i>It'd be hilarious to see how quickly the technology sector in the US would collapse after they kick out all the non "natural born citizens." >>
So let it collapse . They can buck up and join the rest of the country in the current recession . I buy a tv every other decade and my cellphone is from 2007 I won't even notice. >>
Dumb phones are the best phones, the NSA will have a harder time finding out who you're calling
On another note, I rescind my comment since it is irrelevant to the coin's message - my bad.
<< <i>In 2015 it is disturbing to see that the "birther" business still has enough of a following to generate a medal of this sort. I have run into folks of this ilk and never cease to be amazed that supposedly intelligent people can fall for this right wing nonsense.
That said, the medal will probably be sought after in the future because its content makes it more interesting than most medals. >>
This is a shot at Senor Ted Cruz, right?
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<< <i>In 2015 it is disturbing to see that the "birther" business still has enough of a following to generate a medal of this sort. I have run into folks of this ilk and never cease to be amazed that supposedly intelligent people can fall for this right wing nonsense.
That said, the medal will probably be sought after in the future because its content makes it more interesting than most medals. >>
This is a shot at Senor Ted Cruz, right? >>
Larry Klayman says Cruz is ineligible. Birthers have as much chance getting their way as does Schwarzenegger in being eligible to run.
... I have to say that I actually laughed when I saw what you were you given to work with. The face on Lady Liberty (and the snake!) on the initial design is just hilarious. And the fact that the snake was labeled Obama... Actually, I sort of wish they had struck the original token because it was so bad it might have become a classic. But, I think you managed to make chicken salad out of another, generally less-desired product of chickens! >>
I agree with your assessment.
PS: I talked them out of putting "Obama" anywhere on the medal. So, as minted, the medal's message is not about Obama but is instead general symbolism and historical quotes.
PS: I talked them out of putting "Obama" anywhere on the medal. So, as minted, the medal's message is not about Obama but is instead general symbolism and historical quotes. >>
Those quotes struck me as rather antiquated, to say the least, given the huge strides in human mobility across the globe in the last century. Requiring both parents to be US citizens is ridiculous, and is certainly not current law.
The Minor v. Happersett quote itself was not intended to set restrictions on who is considered a citizen. It was little more than an aside in a holding that women were not guaranteed the right to vote. That decision was later used to defend restrictions on voting rights including poll taxes and literacy tests. How ironic that it appears on a medal purporting to enshrine "our freedoms."
PS: I talked them out of putting "Obama" anywhere on the medal. So, as minted, the medal's message is not about Obama but is instead general symbolism and historical quotes. >>
Those quotes struck me as rather antiquated, to say the least, given the huge strides in human mobility across the globe in the last century. Requiring both parents to be US citizens is ridiculous, and is certainly not current law.
The Minor v. Happersett quote itself was not intended to set restrictions on who is considered a citizen. It was little more than an aside in a holding that women were not guaranteed the right to vote. That decision was later used to defend restrictions on voting rights including poll taxes and literacy tests. How ironic that it appears on a medal purporting to enshrine "our freedoms." >>
That's the problem with going off unprepared. It may be entirely coincidental that their cite has close ties to sexism and racism, but then again, some of them might see such origins as a validation of their related political views. Despite the embarrassing or confusing mixed metaphors, I think both the sellers and potential buyers are fortunate to have their product come out of Daniel Carr's studio, rather than be terribly done by someone else. I like the simplicity and balance on the reverse side and also like the impression of layering on the obverse.
Fantastic save. I understand the snake now. Couldn't they have made the snake the Gadsden motif and marked the sword Obama? That way the Secret Service won't have to get involved.
Ted Cruz in 2016 !!!!
edited to add: Missed yours atop mine, Cap'n. Great minds thinking alike, perhaps we should form a Circle of Irony.
Rupert Murdoch can't serve (naturalized), Roger Ailes is making too much as President of (alternative spelling), and Castro has vetoed Rubio because "The Smart Son" can get it done, but Jeb has a legacy problem as well as now being confirmed as a crypto-communist because he wants to appeal to the "51%" Rick Perry can see Alaska from his house.
How about John Wilkes Booth shooting Obama with a little "Sic Semper Tyrannis" thrown in somewhere.
Now we're down to the Donald, who is a Birther. At least Herman Cain is still around. "9.99" still sells better than "47%" Bush has both a legacy and com-symp dichotomy to overcome. Apparently lied on a public document about his race. You gonna take his parents' word where he was Birthed
Phoenix Sheriff Joe Arpaio in 2016 !!!!
Ted Nugent?
Jesse Ventura has governing experience.
Got it! Anne Coulter. Feminists and women born in the 19th century, and all between, will flock to her. Nope, there's a photo of her wearing the same outfit Hillary did last year. She could be a good Ambassador to Russia, the dress scandal has hurt her. She'd better adhere to Thelma Nixon's "Republican cloth coat" dress-code meme.
Sen. Joni Ernst. Military service, she used to castrate hogs and so knows how to cut out pork. Did NOT work at Guantanamo, but might get Cheney's endorsement. Lynn's, not Darth's.
Hillary, Billary, dickety-dock.
Who's got Floyd and who's got Manny? That's the ticket !!!
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - Geo. Orwell
I just saw some photos of the brand new Greater Houston Coin Club 60th anniv. medals by Daniel Carr and I guess this issue is evidence that he's overcome the lathe marks problem, as he was able to faithfully reproduce the 1955 Double Die cent on one side (which is our founding year mascot coin). The original idea was iffy, as I understand. The topological map of Texas on the other side looks pretty darned cool as well.
<< <i>Crazy. Isn't that a large feline foot from the days of Egypt? WTF. Srsly. What's the script behind? >>
The foot is the same as the original St. Gaudens design, except for the snake under it. I think the blending of the foot into the rock makes it seem a little smaller. When delineated from the rock by the snake, it looks bigger.
The text in the background is the US Constitution script ("We the People" at the top).
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<< <i>OK, how many scales are there on this medallion? >>
That question weighs heavily on my mind, too. . . >>
Colonel, how do you rank the design on a scale of one to ten?
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I think the final rendition is much nicer than the original concept. If Augustus was going to roll over on the original concept, I'm guessing he's resting much more peacefully after Dan was brought in.
I think the medal is fairly interesting for the symbolism it provides. I do wonder what the snake is meant to symbolize. Some ideas:
Snake as union: In Franklin's Join or Die cartoon, the states were shown as a snake. Is this trying to say the United States is being stepped on and our union become more fragile and under threat of being sliced apart as we contemplate the birther issue?
Snake as fertility: In many cultures the snake's shedding of skin indicates fertility and renewal. Does stepping on the snake indicate that there's too much fertility happening in the US and the birther movement wants to restrict that for the Presidency?
Snake as wisdom: In some cultures, the snake represents wisdom. Does stepping on the snake represent a repression of wisdom?
Since the idea was from William M Lolli, I wonder if his intended symbolism is any of the above?
<< <i>I think the final rendition is much nicer than the original concept. If Augustus was going to roll over on the original concept, I'm guessing he's resting much more peacefully after Dan was brought in.
I think the medal is fairly interesting for the symbolism it provides. I do wonder what the snake is meant to symbolize. Some ideas:
Snake as union: In Franklin's Join or Die cartoon, the states were shown as a snake. Is this trying to say the United States is being stepped on and our union become more fragile and under threat of being sliced apart as we contemplate the birther issue?
Snake as fertility: In many cultures the snake's shedding of skin indicates fertility and renewal. Does stepping on the snake indicate that there's too much fertility happening in the US and the birther movement wants to restrict that for the Presidency?
Snake as wisdom: In some cultures, the snake represents wisdom. Does stepping on the snake represent a repression of wisdom?
Since the idea was from William M Lolli, I wonder if his intended symbolism is any of the above? >>
Since the original design had the snake labeled as Obama, I think that may be the answer.
It appears to also take a swipe at Ted Cruz with the "A Dual Citizen at Birth is Not Natural Born" notation.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
<< <i>I think the final rendition is much nicer than the original concept. If Augustus was going to roll over on the original concept, I'm guessing he's resting much more peacefully after Dan was brought in.
I think the medal is fairly interesting for the symbolism it provides. I do wonder what the snake is meant to symbolize. Some ideas:
Snake as union: In Franklin's Join or Die cartoon, the states were shown as a snake. Is this trying to say the United States is being stepped on and our union become more fragile and under threat of being sliced apart as we contemplate the birther issue?
Snake as fertility: In many cultures the snake's shedding of skin indicates fertility and renewal. Does stepping on the snake indicate that there's too much fertility happening in the US and the birther movement wants to restrict that for the Presidency?
Snake as wisdom: In some cultures, the snake represents wisdom. Does stepping on the snake represent a repression of wisdom?
Since the idea was from William M Lolli, I wonder if his intended symbolism is any of the above? >>
Since the original design had the snake labeled as Obama, I think that may be the answer.
It appears to also take a swipe at Ted Cruz with the "A Dual Citizen at Birth is Not Natural Born" notation. >>
I noticed that and find it interesting. I thought the issue is that his father wasn't a US citizen at his birth (naturalized in 2005), not that he was a dual citizen.
It's interesting that the Constitution says that natual-born citizens are those born "in the country of parents who are citizens" as there was an allowance made for McCain who was not born in the US, being born in the Panama Canal Zone.
I have to say it's pretty cool to have Dan's pieces have political meaning like this. Back in the 1800s and early 1900s, medals had all kinds of contemporary meaning. It's nice to have this type of meaning and statements again.
The Constitution says no such thing. Every single Birther idea, from the completely illegitimate translation of Vattel (writing in French, he never used the term Natural Born Citizen, and "parens" means family line, not parents), the notion that Happersett defined NBC status (the decision explicilty states it would NOT address this concept) to there being anything fishy about the President's birth in Hawaii, is simply garbage.
Numerous presidential candidates and a couple presidents had only one citizen parent. Many presidents (notably FDR) had dual citizenship at birth. A Birfer reading of NBC would invalidate both Cruz and Rubio. It's utterly crazy watching the Birfoons tie themselves in knots explaining why THEY are Natural Born Citizens but President Obama is not. It's execrable, a political and pop-cultural lynching of the first mixed-race president. Criticism based on facts is one thing, and fair game; vilification based on lies is quite another.
Tom Vilsack has been a candidate, and is in the line of succession to be president after a catastrophe. His parents are unknown as he was a foundling, abandoned in infancy in Philadelphia. But he was born on our soil. Born a citizen equals Natural Born Citizen. Naturalized later means you're not. End of story.
And yes, the coin (token? medal?) is the ugliest thing I have seen in a long while... not only artistically (although Mr. Carr certainly improved on it) but also in terms of spreading misinformation. An exonumismatic travesty.
<< <i>I have to say it's pretty cool to have Dan's pieces have political meaning like this. Back in the 1800s and early 1900s, medals had all kinds of contemporary meaning. It's nice to have this type of meaning and statements again. >>
I did mint the thing (for someone else), but the message is theirs, not mine. So I don't really consider it one of my pieces.
I have, however, created numerous pieces with messages of my own. I consider these modern "Hard Times tokens" to be my pieces. Here are some:
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<< <i>so where is the blindfold? >>
She probably needs to keep an eye on the snake.
What's the snake for any way? Does it sympbolize the politicians in Washington? You can vote them out, but nothing changes.
What a way to kick-start my day . . .
Here is a better picture (below). The body of Liberty is an accurate replication of the St. Gaudens design. However, any time an existing artwork is significantly enlarged, the design will start to become somewhat fuzzy. The original double eagle was 34mm in diameter. This is a 50mm medal. The "lathe marks" (light concentric rings) are something that I struggled with for a long time on my engraving machine. But I recently solved that problem (some time after engraving this die).
The last picture below is a rendering of a 3D digital sculpture, which was the original design produced by the first artist that was hired to do the job. So you can see that what I had to work with was undesirable.
Chinese polished mini wooden casket, but the offer is so so tempting.
<< <i>It'd be hilarious to see how quickly the technology sector in the US would collapse after they kick out all the non "natural born citizens." >>
The so-called "birther" movement (which I am not a participant in, other than the business of making this commissioned medal) is not about kicking people out of the country.
But they do contend that a person must be a "natural born citizen" to be eligible for the office of President, as I understand it.
<< <i>I wonder who C. Alolkoy is, and what role Dan Carr had in this piece. I also did not realize that some refer to themselves as Birthers, with a capital B. >>
I did this as my Jumble exercise today, but could not find an anagram for D A N C A R R in the letter string C A L O L K O Y. Was it the imbedded LOL that distracted me?
I could believe that Dan has the requisite irony to have allowed this wording imbedded as an artistic red-alert, but not with that lettering style, nonono.
Dan would have too much compassion to let a kindergartener's art-work be displayed with the MFAs. Or the 4th-graders
Thinking out loud.
Is this silver? Play-Doh? Thinking it might be 3-D printing (likely plastic, but silver would utilizable). Looks like the work of the guy who printed out hand guns in 3D plastic a couple of years ago. Lots of politics on that one, and IIRC very funny As well as telling) in the end.
Directions on how to 3D-print guns on the Internet. What a scandal!!!! Anti-gun nuts and paleo-liberals gasp.... Part of the right wing conspiracy .
The brilliant kid who did this had studied lots of different philosophies to help him refine his own. He saw the simple natural organic beauty of growth and creative destruction and its cycles. He saw this particular invention/process as creative nihilism. Said people sort of got him right, but not for all the right reasons, and sometimes for the wrong one.
BTW, you can also find instructions on the net about the theory and practice of assembling a small nuclear device. I'm glad this guy thought small.
I could say more, but as I type down a line and more of the image comes into view, I find the urge to get up, spin around counter-clockwise and smack myself on my optic nerves (twice), to be, at this instant, irresistible. Hopefully, the Visine will wash away the toxins in my tears.
1946-S PCGS MS64 BOOKER T.WASHINGTON 50 CENT
<< <i>It'd be hilarious to see how quickly the technology sector in the US would collapse after they kick out all the non "natural born citizens." >>
Being a racist, I'll point out how many fewer dining options we'd have. . . .
I don't like the faux-US coins you make but I have to say that I actually laughed when I saw what you were you given to work with. The face on Lady Liberty (and the snake!) on the initial design is just hilarious. And the fact that the snake was labeled Obama... Actually, I sort of wish they had struck the original token because it was so bad it might have become a classic. But, I think you managed to make chicken salad out of another, generally less-desired product of chickens!
That said, the medal will probably be sought after in the future because its content makes it more interesting than most medals.
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<< <i>so where is the blindfold? >>
She probably needs to keep an eye on the snake.
What's the snake for any way? Does it symbolize the politicians in Washington? You can vote them out, but nothing changes. >>
Coin collectors may see a connection between the snake as depicted and that of St. George slaying the dragon on British sovereigns, or Catholics may see a resemblance to St. Michael the Archangel, but the archetype goes back to Moses relating the eviction from the Garden of Eden and traces back even further to the Greek creation myths.
With such a weighty mythological past, it's disappointing that the snake was depicted as someone as mundane as Barack Obama and over such a trivial matter where no such dispute even exists.
Ah, but it goes with the territory. I'm sure any day that Daniel Carr gets a commission is a good day.
<< <i>It'd be hilarious to see how quickly the technology sector in the US would collapse after they kick out all the non "natural born citizens." >>
So let it collapse . They can buck up and join the rest of the country in the current recession . I buy a tv every other decade and my cellphone is from 2007 I won't even notice.
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<< <i>It'd be hilarious to see how quickly the technology sector in the US would collapse after they kick out all the non "natural born citizens." >>
So let it collapse . They can buck up and join the rest of the country in the current recession . I buy a tv every other decade and my cellphone is from 2007 I won't even notice.
On another note, I rescind my comment since it is irrelevant to the coin's message - my bad.
<< <i>In 2015 it is disturbing to see that the "birther" business still has enough of a following to generate a medal of this sort. I have run into folks of this ilk and never cease to be amazed that supposedly intelligent people can fall for this right wing nonsense.
That said, the medal will probably be sought after in the future because its content makes it more interesting than most medals. >>
This is a shot at Senor Ted Cruz, right?
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<< <i>In 2015 it is disturbing to see that the "birther" business still has enough of a following to generate a medal of this sort. I have run into folks of this ilk and never cease to be amazed that supposedly intelligent people can fall for this right wing nonsense.
That said, the medal will probably be sought after in the future because its content makes it more interesting than most medals. >>
This is a shot at Senor Ted Cruz, right? >>
Larry Klayman says Cruz is ineligible. Birthers have as much chance getting their way as does Schwarzenegger in being eligible to run.
<< <i>dcarr:
... I have to say that I actually laughed when I saw what you were you given to work with. The face on Lady Liberty (and the snake!) on the initial design is just hilarious. And the fact that the snake was labeled Obama... Actually, I sort of wish they had struck the original token because it was so bad it might have become a classic. But, I think you managed to make chicken salad out of another, generally less-desired product of chickens! >>
I agree with your assessment.
PS:
I talked them out of putting "Obama" anywhere on the medal. So, as minted, the medal's message is not about Obama but is instead general symbolism and historical quotes.
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I talked them out of putting "Obama" anywhere on the medal. So, as minted, the medal's message is not about Obama but is instead general symbolism and historical quotes. >>
Those quotes struck me as rather antiquated, to say the least, given the huge strides in human mobility across the globe in the last century. Requiring both parents to be US citizens is ridiculous, and is certainly not current law.
The Minor v. Happersett quote itself was not intended to set restrictions on who is considered a citizen. It was little more than an aside in a holding that women were not guaranteed the right to vote. That decision was later used to defend restrictions on voting rights including poll taxes and literacy tests. How ironic that it appears on a medal purporting to enshrine "our freedoms."
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I talked them out of putting "Obama" anywhere on the medal. So, as minted, the medal's message is not about Obama but is instead general symbolism and historical quotes. >>
Those quotes struck me as rather antiquated, to say the least, given the huge strides in human mobility across the globe in the last century. Requiring both parents to be US citizens is ridiculous, and is certainly not current law.
The Minor v. Happersett quote itself was not intended to set restrictions on who is considered a citizen. It was little more than an aside in a holding that women were not guaranteed the right to vote. That decision was later used to defend restrictions on voting rights including poll taxes and literacy tests. How ironic that it appears on a medal purporting to enshrine "our freedoms." >>
That's the problem with going off unprepared. It may be entirely coincidental that their cite has close ties to sexism and racism, but then again, some of them might see such origins as a validation of their related political views.
Despite the embarrassing or confusing mixed metaphors, I think both the sellers and potential buyers are fortunate to have their product come out of Daniel Carr's studio, rather than be terribly done by someone else. I like the simplicity and balance on the reverse side and also like the impression of layering on the obverse.
Ted Cruz in 2016 !!!!
edited to add: Missed yours atop mine, Cap'n. Great minds thinking alike, perhaps we should form a Circle of Irony.
Rupert Murdoch can't serve (naturalized), Roger Ailes is making too much as President of (alternative spelling), and Castro has vetoed Rubio because "The Smart Son" can get it done, but Jeb has a legacy problem as well as now being confirmed as a crypto-communist because he wants to appeal to the "51%" Rick Perry can see Alaska from his house.
How about John Wilkes Booth shooting Obama with a little "Sic Semper Tyrannis" thrown in somewhere.
Now we're down to the Donald, who is a Birther. At least Herman Cain is still around. "9.99" still sells better than "47%" Bush has both a legacy and com-symp dichotomy to overcome. Apparently lied on a public document about his race. You gonna take his parents' word where he was Birthed
Phoenix Sheriff Joe Arpaio in 2016 !!!!
Ted Nugent?
Jesse Ventura has governing experience.
Got it! Anne Coulter. Feminists and women born in the 19th century, and all between, will flock to her. Nope, there's a photo of her wearing the same outfit Hillary did last year. She could be a good Ambassador to Russia, the dress scandal has hurt her. She'd better adhere to Thelma Nixon's "Republican cloth coat" dress-code meme.
Sen. Joni Ernst. Military service, she used to castrate hogs and so knows how to cut out pork. Did NOT work at Guantanamo, but might get Cheney's endorsement. Lynn's, not Darth's.
Hillary, Billary, dickety-dock.
Who's got Floyd and who's got Manny? That's the ticket !!!
Box of 20
Snakes >>>>> Crazy 'birther's.
<< <i>Crazy. Isn't that a large feline foot from the days of Egypt? WTF. Srsly. What's the script behind?
The foot is the same as the original St. Gaudens design, except for the snake under it. I think the blending of the foot into the rock makes it seem a little smaller. When delineated from the rock by the snake, it looks bigger.
The text in the background is the US Constitution script ("We the People" at the top).
<< <i>OK, how many scales are there on this medallion? >>
That question weighs heavily on my mind, too. . .
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<< <i>OK, how many scales are there on this medallion? >>
That question weighs heavily on my mind, too. . .
Colonel, how do you rank the design on a scale of one to ten?
I think the medal is fairly interesting for the symbolism it provides. I do wonder what the snake is meant to symbolize. Some ideas:
Snake as union: In Franklin's Join or Die cartoon, the states were shown as a snake. Is this trying to say the United States is being stepped on and our union become more fragile and under threat of being sliced apart as we contemplate the birther issue?
Snake as fertility: In many cultures the snake's shedding of skin indicates fertility and renewal. Does stepping on the snake indicate that there's too much fertility happening in the US and the birther movement wants to restrict that for the Presidency?
Snake as wisdom: In some cultures, the snake represents wisdom. Does stepping on the snake represent a repression of wisdom?
Since the idea was from William M Lolli, I wonder if his intended symbolism is any of the above?
<< <i>I think the final rendition is much nicer than the original concept. If Augustus was going to roll over on the original concept, I'm guessing he's resting much more peacefully after Dan was brought in.
I think the medal is fairly interesting for the symbolism it provides. I do wonder what the snake is meant to symbolize. Some ideas:
Snake as union: In Franklin's Join or Die cartoon, the states were shown as a snake. Is this trying to say the United States is being stepped on and our union become more fragile and under threat of being sliced apart as we contemplate the birther issue?
Snake as fertility: In many cultures the snake's shedding of skin indicates fertility and renewal. Does stepping on the snake indicate that there's too much fertility happening in the US and the birther movement wants to restrict that for the Presidency?
Snake as wisdom: In some cultures, the snake represents wisdom. Does stepping on the snake represent a repression of wisdom?
Since the idea was from William M Lolli, I wonder if his intended symbolism is any of the above? >>
Since the original design had the snake labeled as Obama, I think that may be the answer.
It appears to also take a swipe at Ted Cruz with the "A Dual Citizen at Birth is Not Natural Born" notation.
"To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
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<< <i>I think the final rendition is much nicer than the original concept. If Augustus was going to roll over on the original concept, I'm guessing he's resting much more peacefully after Dan was brought in.
I think the medal is fairly interesting for the symbolism it provides. I do wonder what the snake is meant to symbolize. Some ideas:
Snake as union: In Franklin's Join or Die cartoon, the states were shown as a snake. Is this trying to say the United States is being stepped on and our union become more fragile and under threat of being sliced apart as we contemplate the birther issue?
Snake as fertility: In many cultures the snake's shedding of skin indicates fertility and renewal. Does stepping on the snake indicate that there's too much fertility happening in the US and the birther movement wants to restrict that for the Presidency?
Snake as wisdom: In some cultures, the snake represents wisdom. Does stepping on the snake represent a repression of wisdom?
Since the idea was from William M Lolli, I wonder if his intended symbolism is any of the above? >>
Since the original design had the snake labeled as Obama, I think that may be the answer.
It appears to also take a swipe at Ted Cruz with the "A Dual Citizen at Birth is Not Natural Born" notation. >>
I noticed that and find it interesting. I thought the issue is that his father wasn't a US citizen at his birth (naturalized in 2005), not that he was a dual citizen.
It's interesting that the Constitution says that natual-born citizens are those born "in the country of parents who are citizens" as there was an allowance made for McCain who was not born in the US, being born in the Panama Canal Zone.
I have to say it's pretty cool to have Dan's pieces have political meaning like this. Back in the 1800s and early 1900s, medals had all kinds of contemporary meaning. It's nice to have this type of meaning and statements again.
<< <i>Coin has almost negative albedo >>
She does nuthin' for my libido either!
Numerous presidential candidates and a couple presidents had only one citizen parent. Many presidents (notably FDR) had dual citizenship at birth. A Birfer reading of NBC would invalidate both Cruz and Rubio. It's utterly crazy watching the Birfoons tie themselves in knots explaining why THEY are Natural Born Citizens but President Obama is not. It's execrable, a political and pop-cultural lynching of the first mixed-race president. Criticism based on facts is one thing, and fair game; vilification based on lies is quite another.
Tom Vilsack has been a candidate, and is in the line of succession to be president after a catastrophe. His parents are unknown as he was a foundling, abandoned in infancy in Philadelphia. But he was born on our soil. Born a citizen equals Natural Born Citizen. Naturalized later means you're not. End of story.
And yes, the coin (token? medal?) is the ugliest thing I have seen in a long while... not only artistically (although Mr. Carr certainly improved on it) but also in terms of spreading misinformation. An exonumismatic travesty.
(quote=snake)Dont tread on me!(/quote)
<< <i>I have to say it's pretty cool to have Dan's pieces have political meaning like this. Back in the 1800s and early 1900s, medals had all kinds of contemporary meaning. It's nice to have this type of meaning and statements again. >>
I did mint the thing (for someone else), but the message is theirs, not mine. So I don't really consider it one of my pieces.
I have, however, created numerous pieces with messages of my own. I consider these modern "Hard Times tokens" to be my pieces. Here are some: