Uh oh - ebay police caught me (update - it was the starting price for a raw coin).

Lakesammman · April 7, 2015 7:28AM

ebay pulled my Cheerios Sac in original packing listing.

In the verbage, I said I don't know how it would grade since the reverse needs to be seen, but the obverse looks at least 67.

Note - no "MS" before 67.

Do you suppose someone complained over something that trivial??

keyman64 · April 7, 2015 7:34AM

I'm not surprised. I would just re-list with HIGH MINT STATE instead....or something like that.

LindeDad · April 7, 2015 7:34AM

I think the Bots got you.

AUandAG · April 7, 2015 7:37AM

NO numbers on raw coins....MS is okay, GEM is okay, etc but no numbers.

bob

mbogoman · April 7, 2015 7:39AM

I wondered what happened to your listing. I searched in "Completed" and it was nowhere to be found. FWIW, I have used numbers in the text before and never had anything pulled. In fact, I have one now that's been listed and relisted for over a month and it hasn't been pulled. So my guess is that it wasn't the reference to 67 in your listing that got it yanked, it was something else...

Edit: Ahhh, raw coin vs. graded coin. My coin is graded, probably why it wasn't yanked. So just ignore my ramblings above...

Unknown · April 7, 2015 7:40AM

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TopographicOceans · April 7, 2015 7:41AM

Book 'em Mego

steveben · April 7, 2015 7:56AM

how dare you state your opinion!

seriously though, why can't you say you think it's a 67? i get ebay has a lot of complaints that some coins didn't grade 67

... but it is just an opinion. caveat emptor!

Sonorandesertrat · April 7, 2015 7:59AM

"Do you suppose someone complained over something that trivial??"

No way. I would have complained about the Cheerios and the Sac first.

VanHalen · April 7, 2015 8:41AM

Looks Superb Gem is okay, 67 is not. No exceptions even for Cheerios.

TopographicOceans · April 7, 2015 8:50AM

<< how dare you state your opinion!

seriously though, why can't you say you think it's a 67? i get ebay has a lot of complaints that some coins didn't grade 67

... but it is just an opinion. caveat emptor! >>

Numeric grades can only be used when the coin is graded by one of the eBay accepted grading companies (PCGS,NGC,ICG,ANACS etc.)
In the old days people have been ripped off for millions of dollars from sellers listing raw coins as MS68's that are XF at best.

Some sellers circumvent the rules by putting coins in homemade holders with their grades prominently displayed on their homemade labels.

So just put your coin in a homemade holder and print a label showing MS67+ and that is OK with eBay. A picture is worth a thousand words (or numbers)

streeter · April 7, 2015 9:11AM

Hypothetically speaking of course,

Buyer submits coin and it comes back 66. You stated 67 in auction. I'll bet you lose in a dispute.

Understate your opinion and you'll prob be Betta Off.

You might state that "most submitted directly from og packaging grade as such and such.

Don't leave yourself open to the SIX MONTH freelook. A lot can happen to the modern coin market in that time frame-even if left in the packaging. You could see your old coin on the bourse floor or on eBay under a different seller for 5 1/2 months.

Best of luck.

braddick · April 7, 2015 10:24AM

eBay: Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

oih82w8 · April 7, 2015 10:27AM

Send it in to be certified with TrueView imaging. Then there would be no dispute.

DollarAfterDollar · April 7, 2015 10:35AM

EBay doesn't have people who police this. The bots saw the numbers in the listing and flagged it. Then someone manually reviewed it would be my guess. Just repost saying GEM like thirty times.

CoinJunkie · April 7, 2015 10:43AM

<< seriously though, why can't you say you think it's a 67? i get ebay has a lot of complaints that some coins didn't grade 67 ... but it is just an opinion. caveat emptor! >>

Because then you can quote some Price Guide and say the coin should be worth $X.
Then when the buyer submits it and finds out it's three grades lower and worth 10%
of what they paid, eBay has a problem transaction it has to deal with. Dealing with
such problems costs eBay money, lots of money. So, it's in their best interest to
protect buyers from themselves, beyond whatever moral obligation you may or may
not think they have in that regard.

EDIT: I am speaking generally and in no way referring to the coin in the OP.
It may well be a 68 for all I know.

coinguy1989 · April 7, 2015 10:55AM

<< EBay doesn't have people who police this. The bots saw the numbers in the listing and flagged it. Then someone manually reviewed it would be my guess. Just repost saying GEM like thirty times. >>

Use "superb gem brilliant uncirculated."

AUandAG · April 7, 2015 10:58AM

Actually been thinking about this and I'd say modify with from Grandpa's collection....to the mooooooooon!!

bob

coinguy1989 · April 7, 2015 12:22PM

<< Actually been thinking about this and I'd say modify with from Grandpa's collection....to the mooooooooon!!

bob

>>

Lakesammman · April 7, 2015 1:27PM

Actually been thinking about this and I'd say modify with from Grandpa's collection....to the mooooooooon!!

Dang - why didn't I think of that - he needs the $$ for nursing home care.....

segoja · April 7, 2015 1:32PM

If the coin is graded a 65, you can say you think it's a 67. If it's raw and unc you can't even say its MS60.

Soon you won't even be able to post a picture of the grade on a non approved slab company. I wonder how they will handle a 2 x 2 that has a numeric grade written on it

bronco2078 · April 7, 2015 1:57PM

<< If the coin is graded a 65, you can say you think it's a 67. If it's raw and unc you can't even say its MS60.

Soon you won't even be able to post a picture of the grade on a non approved slab company. I wonder how they will handle a 2 x 2 that has a numeric grade written on it

>>

Then the no text in images policy kicks in. In my case selling truck parts to keep down the confusion if I have similar looking items I will write part numbers on them with a sharpie. It prevents me from putting the wrong pic with the wrong listing and sending the wrong item to a buyer. Which seems like a good thing.

So they pulled 10 listings in one day because I had text in the photos. Chosen utterly at random as there were 20 or 30 others that didn't get pulled with visible writing or numbers.

BStrauss3 · April 7, 2015 10:07PM

<< Actually been thinking about this and I'd say modify with from Grandpa's collection....to the mooooooooon!! >>

Oh, Bob, you missed the OTHER meme.

Found in an old cereal box in Grandpa's collection

Now you have it covered!

BustHalfBrian · April 8, 2015 12:16AM

If I want to give my opinion of the numeric grade I'll just spell out the words. Ex: mint state sixty-five.

I've never been caught

Lakesammman · April 8, 2015 12:55AM

Turns out it was the starting price over $2500 for a raw coin. Last nights relist was gone by this morning as well.

AUandAG · April 8, 2015 1:26AM

<< Turns out it was the starting price over $2500 for a raw coin. Last nights relist was gone by this morning as well.

>>

Yup, that's do it every time...

bob

PS: cereal-ish-ly, say inherited grandpa's cereal box collection and start at 2499.99 and see how it goes...

Got a link?

bob

CaptHenway · April 8, 2015 3:00AM

<< Turns out it was the starting price over $2500 for a raw coin. Last nights relist was gone by this morning as well.

>>

Well that sucks! So much for original packaging.

Swampboy · April 8, 2015 3:05AM

IMHO just more collateral damage in the never ending war on scammers.

CoinJunkie · April 8, 2015 3:56AM

<< Turns out it was the starting price over $2500 for a raw coin. >>

I thought you were going to tell us you inadvertently listed it in the "Fruit Loops" category...

Raufus · April 8, 2015 4:47AM

<< Turns out it was the starting price over $2500 for a raw coin. Last nights relist was gone by this morning as well.

>>

So one can't list any raw coin with a starting price or BIN of over $2500? Unreal.

CaptHenway · April 8, 2015 5:10AM

How about an Australian two-ounce gold bullion in the original plastic capsule or whatever?

mbogoman · April 8, 2015 5:17AM

<< So one can't list any raw coin with a starting price or BIN of over $2500? Unreal. >>

That's been policy for at least a couple years now. They just haven't enforced it until, apparently, now. Several times in the old days I pointed out some whopper listings with start/BIN prices of over $2500 to Judith, who promptly removed them. I never reported authentic sellers with track records and decent coins, just the scammers and over-priced, overgraded junk.

pennyannie · April 8, 2015 5:30AM

<< 

<< So one can't list any raw coin with a starting price or BIN of over $2500? Unreal. >>

That's been policy for at least a couple years now. They just haven't enforced it until, apparently, now. Several times in the old days I pointed out some whopper listings with start/BIN prices of over $2500 to Judith, who promptly removed them. I never reported authentic sellers with track records and decent coins, just the scammers and over-priced, overgraded junk. >>

Someone with nothing better to do reported you. I have had sellers that were selling similar coins look for a reason to get mine nuked. Some just pick and chose who to report. It all works out in the end.

coindeuce · April 8, 2015 6:48AM

You could be a ubermegasuperdooperpooperscooper seller, and stupeBay still wouldn't let a raw $2500+ coin listing stand. They're protecting you from yourself, doncha know.

ebaybuyer · April 8, 2015 10:49PM

if you read some of the posts in this forum, you will note that people will complain about seemingly anything. makes no difference to them if they have a legitimate complaint, just shut down a listing so they can say they had a hand in it, must be nice to have so much free time and so little integrity

OPA · April 8, 2015 11:15PM

<< How about an Australian two-ounce gold bullion in the original plastic capsule or whatever? >>

Rule does not apply to "bullion" rounds, bars or coins, if the items are listed in the bullion category. It's obvious the SAC was listed in the: US coins - $1 - category and subject to the $2,500 limitation.

It would be very unlikely, that I'd ever purchase a raw coin of eBay, for anywhere near $2,500.

Uh oh - ebay police caught me (update - it was the starting price for a raw coin).

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