I like toning on the second one, but I don't know what is going on at 12 k in the reverse.
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<< <i>I like toning on the second one, but I don't know what is going on at 12 k in the reverse >>
It's called a clip. >>
No...it is called a "Guido".
It occurs when the blank planchet does not make a full rotation through the castaing machine that applies the lettered edge prior to striking. Besides applying the lettered edges, the castaing machince also pushes up the edges so that when the planchet is stuck with the obverse and reverse dies it will help make an even strike.
I notice that they are both the same die marriage and even the same die stage...and an R-5 to boot! Provided that I am correct in my attribution of O-113...
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<< <i>I like toning on the second one, but I don't know what is going on at 12 k in the reverse >>
It's called a clip. >>
No...it is called a "Guido".
It occurs when the blank planchet does not make a full rotation through the castaing machine that applies the lettered edge prior to striking. Besides applying the lettered edges, the castaing machince also pushes up the edges so that when the planchet is stuck with the obverse and reverse dies it will help make an even strike.
I notice that they are both the same die marriage and even the same die stage...and an R-5 to boot! Provided that I am correct in my attribution of O-113...
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I was wondering how long it would take someone to point that out The Guido and the variety.
Is this variety still R5? I feel like I see them often compared to other R5's like 09-101 or 27-122 (just to name a couple). I suspect the O.113 will be the next R5 to have a - added to its rating, if not dropped to R4+ entirely.
Still, I like both of your examples, coinlover22. If I had to choose one, I'd take the first for its slightly better detail.
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<< <i>Is this variety still R5? I feel like I see them often compared to other R5's like 09-101 or 27-122 (just to name a couple). I suspect the O.113 will be the next R5 to have a - added to its rating, if not dropped to R4+ entirely.
Still, I like both of your examples, coinlover22. If I had to choose one, I'd take the first for its slightly better detail. >>
That's a can of worms right there, I suspect most if not all R5's would downgrade if a honest re-assessment were done.
<< <i>Is this variety still R5? I feel like I see them often compared to other R5's like 09-101 or 27-122 (just to name a couple). I suspect the O.113 will be the next R5 to have a - added to its rating, if not dropped to R4+ entirely.
Still, I like both of your examples, coinlover22. If I had to choose one, I'd take the first for its slightly better detail. >>
That's a can of worms right there, I suspect most if not all R5's would downgrade if a honest re-assessment were done. >>
An honest assessment is in the works...we will see where it lands, but I would tend to agree with Brian, it is not a very tough R-5.
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For eye appeal, definitely #2. Coin #1 has that cleaned scratchy look that just ruins a coin for me. Posters here...any sane person really, would prefer coin #1 over coin #2?
It's a cool variety and tough, wherever it ends up on the rarity scale. I like #2. It looks a bit like mine. PCGS called it VG8 but I think that's conservative. Lance.
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Because it has better eye appeal.
Prefer the toning on #2 but both have problems so would pass
<< <i>I like toning on the second one, but I don't know what is going on at 12 k in the reverse >>
It's called a clip.
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Because it has better eye appeal. >>
Ditto
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<< <i>I like toning on the second one, but I don't know what is going on at 12 k in the reverse >>
It's called a clip. >>
No...it is called a "Guido".
It occurs when the blank planchet does not make a full rotation through the castaing machine that applies the lettered edge prior to striking. Besides applying the lettered edges, the castaing machince also pushes up the edges so that when the planchet is stuck with the obverse and reverse dies it will help make an even strike.
I notice that they are both the same die marriage and even the same die stage...and an R-5 to boot! Provided that I am correct in my attribution of O-113...
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Number 1 shows a little less wear.
They each have good points.
Not much help am I?
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<< <i>I like toning on the second one, but I don't know what is going on at 12 k in the reverse >>
It's called a clip. >>
No...it is called a "Guido".
It occurs when the blank planchet does not make a full rotation through the castaing machine that applies the lettered edge prior to striking. Besides applying the lettered edges, the castaing machince also pushes up the edges so that when the planchet is stuck with the obverse and reverse dies it will help make an even strike.
I notice that they are both the same die marriage and even the same die stage...and an R-5 to boot! Provided that I am correct in my attribution of O-113...
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I was wondering how long it would take someone to point that out
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Still, I like both of your examples, coinlover22. If I had to choose one, I'd take the first for its slightly better detail.
I would be happy with either, but if you force me to choose, I like the look of the 2nd one.
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<< <i>Is this variety still R5? I feel like I see them often compared to other R5's like 09-101 or 27-122 (just to name a couple). I suspect the O.113 will be the next R5 to have a - added to its rating, if not dropped to R4+ entirely.
Still, I like both of your examples, coinlover22. If I had to choose one, I'd take the first for its slightly better detail. >>
That's a can of worms right there, I suspect most if not all R5's would downgrade if a honest re-assessment were done.
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<< <i>Is this variety still R5? I feel like I see them often compared to other R5's like 09-101 or 27-122 (just to name a couple). I suspect the O.113 will be the next R5 to have a - added to its rating, if not dropped to R4+ entirely.
Still, I like both of your examples, coinlover22. If I had to choose one, I'd take the first for its slightly better detail. >>
That's a can of worms right there, I suspect most if not all R5's would downgrade if a honest re-assessment were done. >>
An honest assessment is in the works...we will see where it lands, but I would tend to agree with Brian, it is not a very tough R-5.
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An honest assessment is in the works...we will see where it lands, but I would tend to agree with Brian, it is not a very tough R-5.
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That's kind of scary...a lot of variety collectors are going to go crackers when their R5+'s are downgraded to R5-
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