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Scored a nice cherrypick - a 1959 OGP proof set containing.......

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
............... a half dollar that I thought had promise.

It was hiding in the mint cello packaging [the cello was cloudy] and it had developed milky haze on both sides. Thus the half dollar was hiding its true appearance. Through the cello I saw frosted devices on both sides. So I rolled the dice and bought the set. Upon removing the half from the cello and removing the haze much to my pleasure a two sided frost, black mirrored, high grade, possible CAM designation worthy proof appeared.

This is a very nice pickup since 1959 half dollars that may warrant a CAM are very hard to find in the wild.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    awesome...must post images as i want see
    congrats and best of luck...hopefully it goes big
    cam/dcam with a lofty grade
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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This thread is worthless without pictures.

    image


    image
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thought?

    Is it worthy of a CAM designation?
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    A 59 cameo Franklin is definitely a nice rare find.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thought?

    Is it worthy of a CAM designation? >>


    if modcrewman just posted your coin's image

    image is a lil rough to work with but...easy cam...could be a darn dcam but obverse doesn't have the field at top n bottom
    looks 67-ish too

    way tough image to call from though

    is my take
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations! That's a nice cherrypick! If ModCrewman's pix are your coin I'd say a CAM is in order. I don't think it'll get more than that due to the rarity/price increase from CAM to DCAM.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice find.... when are you submitting?? Be sure to post results....Cheers, RickO
  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just to clarify yes, the pictures I posted were ones SanctionII had sent to me. I sure think it has a good shot at CAM based upon the photos. A nice find...I'm still looking for one.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have spent some time studying the half dollar today and compared it with other frosty Franklins.

    I think it stands a very good chance to receive a CAM designation. The obverse frost is smooth and uniform across all devices. The obverse frost and reverse frost does not fade when you put the coin under multiple lighting sources [halogen, flourescent, natural sunlight, etc.]. The reverse frost is not quiet as heavy as the obverse frost and that may be a reason for it not receiving a CAM designation. The fields on both sides are black and deeply mirrored. There is only one very thin line [hairline?] on the obverse field that is not noticeable unless you tilt the coin just so into a light source. There is what appears to be milk spot on the R in LIBERTY and a toning spot on the top of Ben's head (which may come off).

    The coin in hand is a high grade [IMO at least a 67] 1959 half that stands a good chance to receive a CAM designation.

    What makes the coin even better is that I found it in the wild.

    Now I just have to find in the wild a CAM 1956 Type 1 half to complete my 16 coin [including the two major varieties] set of 1950-1963 of frosty Franklins.
  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congratulations and I wish you the best.

    They say ownership adds a point. Does ownership add a CAM. image

    I agree the pic is rough but you've looked at many CAMS & DCAMS so I trust your instincts.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    cool it is your coin then
    yup
    if modcrewman says it has a good shot
    <<<<i'm in the cam camp then

    awesome being it's on a 1959 too
    congrats and goodluck

    update us too when it grades
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  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice pickup! Looks cameo to me for sure. I like the deep mirrors so I think it even might have a shot at dcam. Tough to tell for sure from the photos.

    Here is a 67cam for comparison

    image

    And a 66 dcam


    image

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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Looks cam to me and nice find.
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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the props gents. I had good fortune smile upon me in this pickup. The half turned out to be much better than I had hoped.

    In hand it looks comparable to the 67 CAM posted by Cameonut.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If that is your coin mad posted, fantastic pickup and super job on getting the crud off. I mean that coin is a cameo blazer if ever there was one!

    Why do people leave their proof sets in that horrible packaging? It damages the coins from the pvc it contains and you can't even view them decently. Everyone of those sets I will cut them out and many times dip them.

    There comes a time....when the nice singles in a proof set go to slabs and the others to the junk box.
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  • Beginner question. How do you remove the haze from the coin?
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dipping coins is a tricky area. On silver proof coins I have found, after lots of study and practice, the only thing that can be done safely (with damaging the coin) is the removal of translucent milky white haze. This can be done with acetone or a diluted acid based dip. If other things are present on the surface of the coin beneath the milky haze (i.e. blotchy spots, milk spots, dark toning, marks, hairlines, etc.) the removal of the haze will reveal an ugly coin. In that case it is better to leave the coin as is.

    You can search for prior threads on dipping to get tons of good information.
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,788 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice and beauuutiful coin dude!image

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  • PurfrockPurfrock Posts: 545 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful Coin!
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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lightning strikes twice. Today I picked up an OGP set containing another 1959 half that is a high grade cameo. It may even be better than the one I posted this thread about.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,774 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i like the luster on that.
  • PatARPatAR Posts: 347 ✭✭✭
    Nicely done! I look forward to seeing the other coin as well.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    14 months later and lightening strikes THRICE!!!

    Skyman contacted me this week and asked if I would meet him at a local show in my neck of the woods [I was not even aware of it].

    Why not. We met, socialized and had lunch.

    After we parted I walked the bourse for about 15 minutes and left. Went back today to spend a few more minutes. Lo and behold I found yet another 1959 flat pack with a half that had promise. I bought it. After taking the half out and giving it a bath to remove light, milky haze, a high grade CAM showed up. A great cherry pick. That makes 3 likely CAM 1959 Franklins cherried by me within the past 16 months. I am on a roll.
  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where are the other photos?
  • RarityRarity Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow I like both - 67CAM & 66DCAM
  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, are you ever going to get around to submitting these?
    The suspense is killing us...

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You are doing very well Sanction.... I enjoy finding AH Kennedy's for bargain prices at gun shows..I will watch for '59 cameos as well... Cheers, RickO
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did you have grading done on any of these?
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IF these grade PRXXCAM, you may have just dropped the values for the designation, especially if you sent them in at the same time...stagger 'em a bit and see.
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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have not sent any of the coins in for grading. Enjoying them raw. I do not think any of the three coins would be given a DCAM designation.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kevin, I would trust your worded description over that over-exposed page one picture which is pretty useless. Franklins dated 1959 tend to be a little more difficult to find than either 1958 or 1960, a strange phenomenon when you consider the number of Proof coins struck. I have a book dated 1981(Revised in 1983) by Lyman L. Allen and for 1959 he states:

    --- Very difficult to locate with milky white devices. Some do show contrast, but with silvery devices instead of the preferable milky white.



    isn't it funny how not much has changed in over 30 years?? it is a good insight into how some Modern issues perform, particularly 1950-70 Proof issues.



    BTW, I find it ironic that only 4-5 days ago you had told me coins were slow and you hadn't found anything lately!!image
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Keets.

    I had not found anything because I had not been looking. Would not have gone to the show had Skyman not contacted me and suggested we get together at a show I was not even aware of.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: SanctionII
    Thanks for the props gents. I had good fortune smile upon me in this pickup. The half turned out to be much better than I had hoped.

    In hand it looks comparable to the 67 CAM posted by Cameonut.



    Congratulations my friend. I've seen your Franklin set in hand and I've gotta say it haunted me for quite a while, it is AMAZING to say the least.
    Way to goimage
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  • EthanEthan Posts: 315 ✭✭
    I would say it CAMs for sure. Nice Find!
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    How does this one look?
    image
  • luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    If that is not a CAM, I don't know what is. CAM all the way !!

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TTT.

    Lightning strikes again as I found another 1959 possible CAM half dollar in the wild last Friday. Posted a photo of same in another thread, but thought I would post the photo in this thread.

    I do like 59 CAM Frankies.


  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII ...Will you be sending any of these in for grade? They are very nice Franklins. Cheers, RickO

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,635 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some nice toning and if last night's auction results are any indication, may be worth a fortune.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Smudge.

    Good point. Too bad my latest cherry pick is not rainbow toned on both sides.

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