Should I be concerned ?.........

Timbuk3 · January 16, 2015 8:03AM

I purchased an item from a fellow
forum member on 1/6/15. Sent him
a money order that was cashed on
1/13/15. I PM'd the seller numerous
times as to the status of the order.
I have not received any response
as of this writing. It is 1/16/15,
should I be concerned or should I
just wait a few more days. I don't
want to embarrass this individual.
I guess if nothing happens in a few
days, I will allow other forum members
to PM me with this members identity.
I'm doing this to protect other forum
members. Am I allowed to do this and
Is this an ethical thing to do ?...

Rampage · January 16, 2015 8:05AM

The seller just cashed the MO three days ago. I think you are being a bit too nervous about it.

coindeuce · January 16, 2015 8:06AM

You state that you have PMed the seller several times with no reply. What other methods of communication did you confirm before making the payment? Did you exchange telephone numbers as an alternate method of communicating ? If not, why not ?

TireKicker · January 17, 2015 1:38AM

You should be a little concerned but give it a few more days.

Had an issue with a forum member last year, noticed he was selling to others on the boards as well. After reaching out to a fellow board member, it became obvious this individual had inconsistent communication (to put it nicely) as well as a tendency to over promise and under deliver. But in the end, the transaction was completed.

Bottom line...there is wide level of acceptable turn around times on these forums in regards to answering PMs, emails and shipping.

If your transaction is not resolved, this forum needs to know. No need to bash, just be factual with dates/times regarding communications, payment, receipt of payment and then follow up emails/PMs that were never answered. Leave out opinions, name calling, post and let everyone interpret those facts for themselves.

One other note: it has has only been 11 days total. Sometimes things come up and everyone operates at a different pace. If this goes on for another week you may want to ask the forum if anyone knows if this person is OK. especially if they are a frequent forum member here.

Personally, I would not send the "factual email" for at least another 2 weeks but only after you have sent out an " is all ok email" and if you have had no contact with this individual whatsoever.

Just my 2 cents...

TwoSides2aCoin · January 17, 2015 3:11AM

Just because they're members here doesn't mean a thing. Some of the rudest and least trusting souls haunt this place and lurk about waiting for prey.
Yes you should be concerned. If someone takes your money and doesn't immediately get the product out, answer correspondences , or notify you of "receipt" of money, they come into focus right away. Their honor is at stake, not yours. They should have thanked you first and secondly confirmed receipt of payment , then mailed the product ASAP.

Now, if they are wannabes or minions and do not own the item they're selling or are waiting for it because it's pre sold or in another person's inventory , they should tell you that, too.

But don't' buy my thinking. I am a _ _ _ _ when it comes to business.

Kaline6 · January 17, 2015 3:23AM

The seller is a poor businessperson (or has had a personal issue) but I would wait and assume good intent for now.

grip · January 17, 2015 3:25AM

What
TwoSides2aCoin said.

derryb · January 17, 2015 3:26AM

when you checked his BST references what did they have to say?

jayPem · January 17, 2015 3:39AM

Ive noticed many attempts to sell on the BST by brand spankin new "members"...used to be these posts would be intercepted by the mod and newbies informed that they would need to establish themselves, presumably through succesful buying transactions and good old time spent participating on the forums before they would be allowed to sell here.

This is obviously not the case anymore, so any one who decides to send money to someone with a post count of say, 10... it's buyer beware nowadays !

Personally, I try to limit all my BST transactions to well known members, and preferable those who participate on the US or World forums as well.

Wabbit2313 · January 17, 2015 3:43AM

You don't have his phone # or email address? For future transactions, it will help to have a phone # to call.

I hope it works out!

Walkerguy21D · January 17, 2015 3:49AM

Good points made by TireKicker, especially this:

Bottom line...there is wide level of acceptable turn around times on these forums in regards to answering PMs, emails and shipping.

I myself try to be prompt and very communicative, but have learned others are not.....but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be trusted.

Casman · January 17, 2015 7:50AM

I bought an item on Jan 12th after finding a link here to a forum members website listed in his sig line.

Regular shipping was $9.95, priority 2 day was $1 more.

I decided on priority 2 day.

It's the 17th and nothing. I'm not concerned yet, but by Tues the 20th I may be irritated and send an inquiry.

Edit: I didn't mean to hijack this thread my purchase wasn't with the same seller as the OP, mine was with a well known forum favorite, someone with plenty of time to self promote and too busy to deal with customers, a website with likely plenty of items not even in inventory, and doesn't care one bit to make sure it doesn't happen again. I could buy the same item right now as it's showing it's for sale, or I could buy the one next to it, also for sale...throw it in my cart and get nothing. Just hit refund with no explanation whatsoever, and my refund is still pending as of 1/22.

Broadstruck · January 17, 2015 8:04AM

<< The seller just cashed the MO three days ago. I think you are being a bit too nervous about it. >>

Treashunt · January 17, 2015 9:01PM

Give him a chance

life (and death) happen

CoinZip · January 17, 2015 10:37PM

<< You state that you have PMed the seller several times with no reply. What other methods of communication did you confirm before making the payment? Did you exchange telephone numbers as an alternate method of communicating ? If not, why not ? >>

<< Just because they're members here doesn't mean a thing. Some of the rudest and least trusting souls haunt this place and lurk about waiting for prey.
Yes you should be concerned. If someone takes your money and doesn't immediately get the product out, answer correspondences , or notify you of "receipt" of money, they come into focus right away. Their honor is at stake, not yours. They should have thanked you first and secondly confirmed receipt of payment , then mailed the product ASAP. >>

+1000

PerryHall · January 17, 2015 11:02PM

I've had at least a couple hundred BST transactions here and every one was a smooth drama free transaction. I only do transactions with forum members who are active participants and have been here for a fairly long time and have a reasonably high post count. When they have built up a good reputation here they have a lot to lose by not following through on a commitment and living up to their word.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 17, 2015 11:05PM

The problem with "dealing" online is that not everyone is a seasoned professional. Some lack basic business acumen and principles.

Here are 2 simple steps to help those dealing.

1) The customer comes first
2) Refer to number 1

No sense in ranting beyond that.

BAJJERFAN · January 18, 2015 12:35AM

<< Just because they're members here doesn't mean a thing. Some of the rudest and least trusting souls haunt this place and lurk about waiting for prey.
Yes you should be concerned. If someone takes your money and doesn't immediately get the product out, answer correspondences , or notify you of "receipt" of money, they come into focus right away. Their honor is at stake, not yours. They should have thanked you first and secondly confirmed receipt of payment , then mailed the product ASAP.

Now, if they are wannabes or minions and do not own the item they're selling or are waiting for it because it's pre sold or in another person's inventory , they should tell you that, too. >>

IMO, they found time to cash the MO, so they should also find time to mail the goods.

MGLICKER · January 18, 2015 12:58AM

<< << Just because they're members here doesn't mean a thing. Some of the rudest and least trusting souls haunt this place and lurk about waiting for prey. >>

Many fine, respectable and trustworthy members here, but an element of rouges as well. Just being a forum member is not enough cred to warrant a check or money order payment.

Hope that things work out ok.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 18, 2015 1:04AM

I do agree Mr Glicker. I have had the most delightful time of my life here at this site with some of the most gracious , loving and patient people on the planet.

agentjim007 · January 18, 2015 1:34AM

Sanford,
I've seen you "pm sent" to some low post count newbies. I know you pay by Postal MO and have thought you are going to be bit someday, you're too trusting. I hope this works out but you have to change your game plan.

Jim

s4ny · January 18, 2015 1:58AM

I am not a trusting person. I only buy on eBay, at shows for cash, or face to face.

RYK · January 18, 2015 2:15AM

I never purchase coins, or anything else, with money orders.

stman · January 18, 2015 2:15AM

A few things I've "learned" here through the years........ The seller always seems to have a life, or an issue when they have your money first...... and the board usually seems to be very patient and forgiving with other people's money.

grip · January 18, 2015 2:24AM

<< A few things I've "learned" here through the years........ The seller always seems to have a life, or an issue when they have your money first...... and the board usually seems to be very patient and forgiving with other people's money.

>>

Well said.

ricko · January 18, 2015 4:14AM

I agree with TwoSides2aCoin...I have had many successful and prompt BST dealings and recommend it highly. However, I always have dealt with established members.... Cheers, RickO

leothelyon · January 18, 2015 4:42AM

It's possible, the seller, is waiting for the coin to arrive from another source. And the word for this practice evades me for the moment. hmmm

Type2 · January 18, 2015 5:03AM

<< It's possible, the seller, is waiting for the coin to arrive from another source. And the word for this practice evades me for the moment. hmmm >>

Even if this is true they shuld not sell till they have it in hand. I never sell till I have it in hand you never know some one can sell it from under you and then this happens and you look like a you know. But when one sell's on the BST they need to stay on top of it.

I had ask for a item on the BST he never got back to me so i will mark him off my list and never buy from him or her ever it just tells me he or she does not care and I don't want to buy from some one like that. Hope it all works out for you.

Timbuk3 · January 21, 2015 10:59AM

If anyone is interested in the status
of this transaction, please PM me
for details. Thanks !!!

pakasmom · January 21, 2015 12:28PM

PM sent. Sharing our experiences is (while not perfect) a way to self police the BST, and keep it safe.

Timbuk3 · January 21, 2015 1:44PM

Thank you to those who PM'ed me
for details. The amount was small
but it was created to protect the
many reputable individuals here.

Thanks again !!!

PerryHall · January 21, 2015 3:44PM

Thanks for the information. We need to avoid those rare bad apples that the BST attracts.

Bochiman · January 21, 2015 3:52PM

<< You don't have his phone # or email address? For future transactions, it will help to have a phone # to call.

I hope it works out! >>

While I will buy/sell with many forum folks, there are very few that I will give out my phone number to.
If someone wants to cancel a deal over it, that's fine with me.
Btw...this thread isn't about me, but I get tired of that bit about getting a phone# from everyone you do a transaction with.....too many forum loonies

Casman · January 21, 2015 10:55PM

It would appear this guy has been through this before. Maybe one of the guys involved could comment.

These threads may provide additional info one was or the other.

link

link

coindeuce · January 21, 2015 11:56PM

Judging by the info that is now resurfacing about Silvereagle, I suggest to the OP that a USPS mail fraud complaint be initiated. And perhaps TopographicOceans would like to retract their comments ?

PerryHall · January 22, 2015 4:25AM

<< Judging by the info that is now resurfacing about Silvereagle, I suggest to the OP that a USPS mail fraud complaint be initiated. And perhaps TopographicOceans would like to retract their comments ? >>

I don't see any posts in this thread from this forum member. Am I missing something?

BAJJERFAN · January 22, 2015 4:44AM

<< If anyone is interested in the status
of this transaction, please PM me
for details. Thanks !!! >>

FWIW that person has not logged in since 01/11/15 so if you sent PM/s they are still unread.

agentjim007 · January 22, 2015 5:05AM

You had to get his name and address to send him the money order. I think it's 99c to find out everything out about this guy. I would call the local cops torment him at home and work. BY THE TIME IT'S OVER YOU'LL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS HEMORRHOIDS (just for the record I had to look up how to spell hemorrhoids).

Timbuk3 · January 22, 2015 10:10AM

Please stay away from member
silvereagle or silvereagle69.

Thanks !!!

grip · January 22, 2015 10:22AM

Silvereagle ,silverbeagle , silvermine? I'm lost

HearingDr · January 22, 2015 10:55AM

'69' in the name would be redflag enough for me. Not too professional

PerryHall · January 22, 2015 10:59AM

<< '69' in the name would be redflag enough for me. Not too professional >>

Why? Might be his birth year or his favorite coin grade. Who knows?

Wabbit2313 · January 22, 2015 11:08AM

How much are we talking here dollarwise?

coindeuce · January 22, 2015 12:03PM

Dollar amount with regard to the perpetrator is of no consequence. The fact that this member has repeatedly and with impunity violated the trust of other members is the issue.

PerryHall · January 23, 2015 1:00AM

<< Please stay away from member
silvereagle or silvereagle69.

Thanks !!!

>>

Have you contacted the postal inspectors yet? They should at least let you know if he's cashed your M.O.

Timbuk3 · January 23, 2015 2:50AM

Yes, money order was cashed on 1/13/15.

TopographicOceans · January 23, 2015 3:25AM

First - you'll have to wait 30 days because Federal Law requires that a seller ship or refund within that time unless another time period is advertised. That's why you see mail order companies say "allow 4-6 weeks for delivery." They know it won't take that long, but it covers them under the Federal statutes - and also cuts down on customers calling them asking where their order is.

Postal inspectors won't do anything but take a report.
They don't investigate until there are multiple victims with at least $25,000 involved - and there is plenty of that going on to keep them busy.

You can contact the local police department where the seller lives. Sometimes that will get the sellers attention.

Your best recourse is in a civil small claims court. Depending on your State, there is a question of venue.
In a contract dispute your State may allow the case to be filed in the State where they contract was to be fulfilled (i.e. where the coins were to be delivered).

If you get a judgment then you can try to collect it. Most State's allow for punitive damages in the case of fraud, oppression or malice so you should file for the maximum small claims amount your State allows.

coindeuce · January 26, 2015 8:01AM

Any update yet from the OP on the status of this transaction ?

"FWIW that person has not logged in since 01/11/15 so if you sent PM/s they are still unread."

The seller logged in on Sunday January 25, so they should be well aware of non-performance at this point.

Timbuk3 · January 26, 2015 8:17AM

I received a PM and email from seller this
past Saturday. He claims that he was out
of town. Stated that he will send the coins
out today. Hope he comes through. I'm
holding my breath !!!

agentjim007 · January 26, 2015 8:24AM

Maybe you've dodged that bullet. Quit standing in front of the target.

bosco5041 · January 26, 2015 8:32AM

It would be nice to have a rating system on the BST.

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