Full bands or not? Not this time.

remumc · December 25, 2014 12:31PM

I took a gamble on this one. What say you?

I'm cracking it out and sending it in next week & we'll see what happens. I think it will make FB.

keyman64 · December 25, 2014 12:35PM

Not a clear enough photo of the bands for me but based on what I see, there seems to be an interruption on the right. It's close, that's for sure. There have been a couple of close ones posted here in the last week, including one from fcloud and another that was up at Heritage.

bcdeluxe · December 25, 2014 12:38PM

Good luck. With a $19k difference in 66 I guess it's worth re-submitting several times.

Middle band looks a little weak but could use better pics.

fcloud · December 25, 2014 12:38PM

It will be interesting to see a better photo once you get it in hand. I will say it will miss.

keyman64 · December 25, 2014 12:40PM

<< <i>It will be interesting to see a better photo once you get it in hand. I will say it will miss. >>

He has it in hand, those seem to be his images.

OldIndianNutKase · December 25, 2014 1:02PM

I think that it should be FB. I cannot tell from your pics but one small ding across the bands should not limit the grade, or the FB designation. FB should relate to the quality of the strike and not to a small PM issue with the bands.

OINK

keyman64 · December 25, 2014 1:09PM

<< <i>I think that it should be FB. I cannot tell from your pics but one small ding across the bands should not limit the grade, or the FB designation. FB should relate to the quality of the strike and not to a small PM issue with the bands.

OINK >>

A hit across the bands does in fact eliminate a Merc from getting the FB Designation, here and ATS...99+% of the time from what I have seen. I have seen an exception though.

DeepCoin · December 25, 2014 1:29PM

There is a market for 85% FB in Mercs. I don't think this one will make FB. There is a reason PCGS did not do FB the first time around, or whatever number this coin has seen the grading room. I can't really tell from the pictures and you really need a decent light and loupe to make the call on the tight ones

BustHalfBrian · December 25, 2014 1:35PM

Looks it from here, but considering the date, it's probably not.

ricko · December 25, 2014 11:36PM

Looks like FB.... but hard to say from those pictures.... use a loupe.... if they look clean under 10x, it will make it.... Cheers, RickO

johnny9434 · December 26, 2014 1:13AM

i dont know, its hard to tell with them pics.

roadrunner · December 26, 2014 1:18AM

>100-1 odds?

Probably a coin that has seen the grading rooms a few times. They don't give out MS66 FB grades to just any 1945-P merc. It looks to have a few marks on the face/neck. It could have been net graded from 65 to 66 because of the nice strike. If I owned it I'd probably be in no rush to re-submit it. Rather, I'd like to show it to a number of people I know that are much better on FB Mercs than I am, especially on those with lots of experiences on the 1945. While it technically is nowhere near a 100% Full Banded coin, that's not the criteria for being "assigned" a "FB" label.

lasvegasteddy · December 27, 2014 4:18AM

from images...it looks fb to me
if you send it in...which you should...several times if necessarily...have them truview it

Ajjohnson77 · December 27, 2014 4:22AM

I don't think they get any more full than that. Good luck! PCGS will probably keep it how it is because that is how they do things.

DollarAfterDollar · December 27, 2014 11:45AM

That holder looks like the current generation so the standards applied should be the same as when that was holdered. I just wonder if the Graders look at the obverse and have a pre-conceived notion of what they'll find?

Sure looks like the real deal to me.

Close up pics through a magnifier might settle it.

lostincoins · December 27, 2014 12:07PM

Does PCGS give the FB designation without requesting it? The coin in the image looks FB but it is a date that PCGS is very critical about. If this were most any other date it would FB without question. Please let us know what happens.

OldIndianNutKase · December 27, 2014 2:50PM

<<A hit across the bands does in fact eliminate a Merc from getting the FB Designation, here and ATS...99+% of the time from what I have seen. I have seen an exception though.>>

Perhaps a strike across fully struck bands may limit the FB designation, but I often see significant strikes across the cheek of Ms. Liberty and they are a 66???

Not for my money.

OINK

nepbrs44 · December 29, 2014 1:33AM

<< <i>It will be interesting to see a better photo once you get it in hand. I will say it will miss. >>

I agree.

NumisOxide · December 29, 2014 2:25AM

How many 45-P FB Mercs has PCGS certified. That is a huge chunk of change for one!!!

remumc · December 29, 2014 9:05AM

I'm going to crack it out and send it in raw, probably tomorrow or Wednesday to beat the fee increase. Which service should I use?

Will try to take some more & closer photos once it's out of the holder.

luckybucks · December 29, 2014 11:02AM

Yeah that one looks like a full bands for sure IMo.

It may take several resubmissions to get the designation on such a high profile coin though.

fcloud · December 29, 2014 11:49AM

Good Luck! Make sure to keep us updated.

DollarAfterDollar · December 29, 2014 12:02PM

Wayne,

You may want to send it as "Regular Service" @ $32 per coin (plus fees) for coins up to $3,000 or just bite the big one and ship it "Express" @ $55 per coin (plus fees) for coins valued up to $20,000.

I'd just opt for a Regular submission myself.

Just insure it properly if you're convinced.

Have you considered it may come back as an MS 65 coin? Is there any chance based upon what you're seeing?

Shamika · December 29, 2014 1:53PM

If I had to guess, I'd say FB.

remumc · December 29, 2014 2:59PM

<< <i>Wayne,

You may want to send it as "Regular Service" @ $32 per coin (plus fees) for coins up to $3,000 or just bite the big one and ship it "Express" @ $55 per coin (plus fees) for coins valued up to $20,000.

I'd just opt for a Regular submission myself.

Just insure it properly if you're convinced.

Have you considered it may come back as an MS 65 coin? Is there any chance based upon what you're seeing? >>

I think I will send it in for the Express service. I don't see it coming back as a 65, but if it came back as a 65FB or 65+FB, I would obviously have no problems with that! I think it is a solid 66 dime. I don't think it has a chance at a 66+, but it might get a green bean on a good day. In looking at it again with my LED lighted magnifier, I can get the light just right and get a continuous unbroken shadow in the valley in between the central bands. In my opinion, these bands are fully split, and while not bread loaf full rounded, they are more so than many dimes I have in my collection that are designated FB.

I think PCGS should grade and designate the reverse and the bands first, then look at the obverse, as I think there is a different grading scale for the 45-P's, and in my opinion that is wrong.

We'll see what happens! I'm crossing my fingers!!!

darktone · December 29, 2014 10:48PM

I think sometimes the policy is not to give full bands designation to this date. The Franklin 53-s it the same. I have been at a show with two certified 53-S FBL in hand with my show graded 53-s non FBl that clearly was the equal of the other two in the Bell lines but they still would not consider giving it FBL on the holder. At this point I gave up on the 45 dime and 53-s half.

remumc · January 15, 2016 7:17AM

Cracked it out of a MS66 PCGS holder & sent it in hoping for a MS66FB. Came back MS65, no bands. Was worth a shot. Don't know what happened to the original photos. I had the dime Truviewed, so will try to figure out how to attach the photo.

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32000409

LanceNewmanOCC · January 15, 2016 7:41AM

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DollarAfterDollar · January 15, 2016 10:32AM

Wayne, unless you're sending 5 coins you have to use "Regular" submission @ $32.

Good luck. The world needs more standout coins.

remumc · January 15, 2016 12:18PM

Thanks for the photo link Lance! DAD, I sent it in Express, 1 coin by itself.

I may try to walk it through next year at the Houston Money Show.

roadrunner · January 15, 2016 12:33PM

From my recollection of seeing other 1945-P FB dimes in-hand and by photo that one is very close. It's better than some I've seen labeled FB. And it's better than nearly all the "close-ones" I've seen over the years. Obverse is quite sharp. It could have been netted to MS64 FB which would have been quite a score. I don't think I've ever seen a truly "full band" 1945-P other than proofs. Good luck on your quest.

ms70 · January 15, 2016 1:03PM

Not FB?

IrishMikey · January 15, 2016 10:58PM

Originally posted by: roadrunner
From my recollection of seeing other 1945-P FB dimes in-hand and by photo that one is very close. It's better than some I've seen labeled FB. And it's better than nearly all the "close-ones" I've seen over the years. Obverse is quite sharp. It could have been netted to MS64 FB which would have been quite a score. I don't think I've ever seen a truly "full band" 1945-P other than proofs. Good luck on your quest.

Pretty sure I have never seen a 1945 Proof Mercury dime. Oops...

roadrunner · January 17, 2016 8:12AM

Originally posted by: IrishMikey

Originally posted by: roadrunner

From my recollection of seeing other 1945-P FB dimes in-hand and by photo that one is very close. It's better than some I've seen labeled FB. And it's better than nearly all the "close-ones" I've seen over the years. Obverse is quite sharp. It could have been netted to MS64 FB which would have been quite a score. I don't think I've ever seen a truly "full band" 1945-P other than proofs. Good luck on your quest.

Pretty sure I have never seen a 1945 Proof Mercury dime. Oops...

Guess I haven't seen one either. What you don't collect, you do tend to forget. It is true that only a very tiny % of Full Band business strike Mercs truly match the split as seen on proofs.

Full bands or not? Not this time.

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