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It has taken me 30 years to complete the only possible complete mint state grading set of 1942 zinc
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in 1982, I started with a raw circulated 1942 zinc plated steel pattern cents ( J-2054) which took me 5 years to locate.
These were the prototype zinc plated steel planchets used for our 1943 cents. These were struck in the Philadelphia Mint in November 1942.
I kept looking and missing chances to upgrade to mint state versions of these througout the 1980's and 1990's. I finally found a mint state piece after 2000 and traded up for it.
Andy Lustig had the finest graded piece which was graded NGC MS-64 and was stunned that he had it!! I acquired it at the 2009 (?) Coinfest show.
I truly believe that one day, these patterns will compete with their 1943 copper cents brothers for fame!!
Here are great pics taken by Todd. I am looking for the MS-63 picture!
Note that the PCGS 62 graded pattern is now CAC stickered.
NGC MS-63 obverse
NGC MS-63 reverse
Plus a bonus picture that I believe should be graded AU-55.
These were the prototype zinc plated steel planchets used for our 1943 cents. These were struck in the Philadelphia Mint in November 1942.
I kept looking and missing chances to upgrade to mint state versions of these througout the 1980's and 1990's. I finally found a mint state piece after 2000 and traded up for it.
Andy Lustig had the finest graded piece which was graded NGC MS-64 and was stunned that he had it!! I acquired it at the 2009 (?) Coinfest show.
I truly believe that one day, these patterns will compete with their 1943 copper cents brothers for fame!!
Here are great pics taken by Todd. I am looking for the MS-63 picture!
Note that the PCGS 62 graded pattern is now CAC stickered.
NGC MS-63 obverse
NGC MS-63 reverse
Plus a bonus picture that I believe should be graded AU-55.
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<< <i>Note that PCGS is arguing with itself as to the PR vs MS designation!!!! >>
The MS seems to have more of a matte field IMO. A flat finish. Personally, I don't see the proof strike quality but I definitely see the MS.
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Also, none of these are proofs. I'm confident that PCGS would change the designation to MS, if asked.
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Congratulations!
That obverse is beautiful and dignified, I really like it.
Thanks for sharing these, they are new to me as well.
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<< <i> What a cool set of coins. How many of these exist? >>
The various publications and auction houses state that a half dozen (6) exist in all grades but I already own 6 and am aware of at least 3 or 4 in various grades including 1 raw one.
So I would state that there are 10 in existence that I am aware of.
Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...
Just saying.
If I were trying to complete a set of rare pattern, etc. and one of them were Genuine, I'd be thrilled to have the Genuine example. Especially if it were the only one on the market for decades. Love the one you're with ...
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Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Congrats on a marvelous achievement!
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<< <i>I'm pretty sure that PCGS Registry Sets allow for the inclusion of Genuine slabs, with the provision they receive zero points.
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Wow, once in a while I realize I'm really right about the TPG biz being totally FUBAR. Points. Really!?! No points on a unique piece of history but a bunch on a 70 ASE?!? (No offense to the poster, I know you're just the messenger!)
On the other hand, without it, we're all without a stable hobby. I don't like it but I'm old enough that I can only imagine the chaos without.
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<< <i>Wow, once in a while I realize I'm really right about the TPG biz being totally FUBAR. Points. Really!?! No points on a unique piece of history but a bunch on a 70 ASE?!? (No offense to the poster, I know you're just the messenger!)
On the other hand, without it, we're all without a stable hobby. I don't like it but I'm old enough that I can only imagine the chaos without. >>
Kaline6, a couple things to clarify:
- the hobby was perfectly stable before PCGS Registry came along ... However, yes there was some mild chaos before grading became commercialized (slabbing)
- Points are not FU'ed ... without points, how would PCGS determine "highest graded" sets? Some points are for the completeness of a set, while other points are awarded for the grades. And these are all separate for each set. So an ASE set (is there even such a thing?) will have zero impact on the OP's set. They are in totally different categories and do not compete on any level.
You should read the PCGS.com info regarding registry sets. You may find it interesting and I may even be wrong about a detail or two (but I think I've gotten it correct).
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<< <i>Note that PCGS is arguing with itself as to the PR vs MS designation!!!!
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I was going to say something about that......
Nice set!
excerpt for those with click-aphobia: >> United States coins shall have the inscription “In God We Trust”. The obverse side of each coin shall have the inscription “Liberty”. The reverse side of each coin shall have the inscriptions “United States of America” and “E Pluribus Unum” and a designation of the value of the coin. <<
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<< <i>Purchased an ANACS AU-55 and will post picture soon. >>
maybe you can get a name change being you own almost all of that scant mintage to
1942 oreville pattern cents
<< <i>One of the best threads I have read here in awhile. Very cool patterns! Congratulations on accomplishing your goal. >>
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