You vs. ANACS - Chopmarked Trade Dollar (Grade Posted)

Kyle · November 22, 2014 10:08AM

This isn't my coin, but I thought it would make for an interesting GTG.

I don't mind one or two chopmarks on a trade dollar... This is a little extreme.

blacksmoke · November 22, 2014 10:21AM

Ummm.. yeah.... That's more like mutilated.

Must be the practice piece.

TopographicOceans · November 22, 2014 10:22AM

Maybe the shipped docked and the entire crew went to the local house of ill repute?

MilkmanDan · November 22, 2014 10:23AM

I think ANACS net graded it much lower than the actual detail remaining on the coin, due to the damage.

410a · November 22, 2014 10:24AM

NO GRADE BODY BAGGED..........I remember when all Trade dollars with any chopmark was crap. Now, the level of crap has a new bar.

lostincoins · November 22, 2014 10:26AM

Boy that is a real mess, can a coin with that much damage/graffiti/test marks/chops even be graded?

MsMorrisine · November 22, 2014 10:37AM

AU details

kaz · November 22, 2014 10:50AM

I think it's interesting that almost all the chops are on the obverse.

AU to start with. Slim chance that it's a DDR. Would like to see closeups of the SW quadrant.

messydesk · November 22, 2014 11:01AM

Grade by the luster and details in the unchopped areas. AU50 details, thoroughly chopmarked. Some people rather like trade dollars that are somewhat obliterated like this.

lasvegasteddy · November 22, 2014 11:03AM

BustHalfBrian · November 22, 2014 11:10AM

A little too choppy to grade, IMO. But that's not a bad thing.

TennesseeDave · November 22, 2014 11:22AM

AU details net graded to fine.

AUandAG · November 22, 2014 11:25AM

I don't see how they can authenticate it as real....

I see "pimples" in places there should not be any. Like the reverse between S and O. Like on the rim above the F in OF.

bob

Shamika · November 22, 2014 2:10PM

Should be graded genuine.

291fifth · November 22, 2014 9:21PM

Chopmarked coins shouldn't be graded or marked genuine since the chopmarks would be very easy to fake. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the original punches for the chopmarks still exist in China.

Personally, I would not buy or sell a chopmarked coin.

crypto79 · November 22, 2014 10:42PM

<< Chopmarked coins shouldn't be graded or marked genuine since the chopmarks would be very easy to fake. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the original punches for the chopmarks still exist in China.

Personally, I would not buy or sell a chopmarked coin. >>

Xf details, and chopmarks are about as easy to fake as MM, dates or anything else in our hobby.

Kyle · November 23, 2014 12:58AM

mercurydimeguy · November 23, 2014 12:58AM

I just bought my first chop marked T$1 for my Varieties Showcase. Will only own one but I think they are kind of cool (well some of them are, some are mutilated, and some are boring). My son is learning Mandarin Chinese and he/I are doing a little research project into the source of the Chopmarks on this coin, etc. A little fun historical project...

kaz · November 23, 2014 1:07AM

Nice trade dollar, MDG!

T-Dave wins!

IrishMikey · November 23, 2014 1:12AM

They definitely got the "Heavily Chopmarked" part right. As for the grade, you don't want to give a coin
"AU Details" when most of the details have been obliterated. Fine Details sounds about right.

DDR · November 23, 2014 1:50AM

MDG:

I used to own that Trade Dollar! I liked it a lot and as you can see it has some really cool chops. I was loathe to sell, but I needed to make room to buy more. I am glad you like it.

Davideo · November 23, 2014 2:14AM

<< Chopmarked coins shouldn't be graded or marked genuine since the chopmarks would be very easy to fake. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the original punches for the chopmarks still exist in China.

Personally, I would not buy or sell a chopmarked coin. >>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but grading genuine doesn't necessarily mean the chopmarks, graffiti, cleaning, toning, etc. is authentic/of the period, but just that the coin is genuine.

291fifth · November 23, 2014 2:25AM

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<< Chopmarked coins shouldn't be graded or marked genuine since the chopmarks would be very easy to fake. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the original punches for the chopmarks still exist in China.

Personally, I would not buy or sell a chopmarked coin. >>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but grading genuine doesn't necessarily mean the chopmarks, graffiti, cleaning, toning, etc. is authentic/of the period, but just that the coin is genuine. >>

I don't know what the TPGs policy is on this issue. They should enlighten us.

ricko · November 23, 2014 3:23AM

I have one (PCGS graded) chop marked TD in my collection... I like the historical relevance.... Cheers, RickO

Shamika · November 23, 2014 3:33AM

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<< 

<< Chopmarked coins shouldn't be graded or marked genuine since the chopmarks would be very easy to fake. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the original punches for the chopmarks still exist in China.

Personally, I would not buy or sell a chopmarked coin. >>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but grading genuine doesn't necessarily mean the chopmarks, graffiti, cleaning, toning, etc. is authentic/of the period, but just that the coin is genuine. >>

I don't know what the TPGs policy is on this issue. They should enlighten us. >>

The TPG's would be grading the coin as genuine, not the chopmarks.

crypto79 · November 23, 2014 4:25AM

<< I just bought my first chop marked T$1 for my Varieties Showcase. Will only own one but I think they are kind of cool (well some of them are, some are mutilated, and some are boring). My son is learning Mandarin Chinese and he/I are doing a little research project into the source of the Chopmarks on this coin, etc. A little fun historical project...

>>

that is a great example with very interesting chops.

kaz · November 23, 2014 6:12AM

yeah, and it has one of the cartouche style chops on the reverse as well. Ex-DDR, too!

segoja · November 23, 2014 7:39AM

Grade is kind of irrelevant on the subject coin

Either you like it or not.

AMRC · November 23, 2014 10:01AM

That be fugly.

jayPem · November 23, 2014 10:53AM

I Like it a ton !
Like MDGuys even better

. The only TD's I own are chopped, BTW...

Kyle · November 24, 2014 1:40AM

<< That be fugly. >>

Sounds about right.

BillJones · November 24, 2014 2:07AM

There are so many chop marks on that piece that it is almost impossible to grade it. Going by the surfaces, I'd say that it was probably an EF-AU coin before it got all of those Asian "tattoos." It is an interesting conversation piece, but that's about it.

crypto79 · November 24, 2014 3:52AM

<< There are so many chop marks on that piece that it is almost impossible to grade it. Going by the surfaces, I'd say that it was probably an EF-AU coin before it got all of those Asian "tattoos." It is an interesting conversation piece, but that's about it. >>

And at about $100s that is what it is sold at as a curiosity. The holder is just to make people feel secure that it isn't some modern pot metal knockoff.

WoodenJefferson · November 24, 2014 4:21AM

<< AU details net graded to fine. >>

TennesseeDave bout nailed it!

mercurydimeguy · December 8, 2014 7:00AM

<< MDG:

I used to own that Trade Dollar! I liked it a lot and as you can see it has some really cool chops. I was loathe to sell, but I needed to make room to buy more. I am glad you like it. >>

DDR, I am glad I was lucky enough to stumble upon to it. I was in Lihuania when I found it, and it was like 1 AM, but I couldn't go to sleep until I did the deal. Last week I sent it to CAC and it now has a green CAC sticker...

1875-CC Dollars Trade-Chop Marked T$1 [T$M1875CCCHOP] PCGS AU53 60207415 Passed

Ironically there was only 1 other CAC approved 75-CC T$1, now there is 2

stealer · December 8, 2014 7:33AM

MDG, not to rain on your parade, and this is just my opinion, but I do not believe the chopmark on EPB banner is genuine. The others are toned over so it is difficult to say. The coin is genuine, however.

Coins101 · December 8, 2014 9:46AM

<< NO GRADE BODY BAGGED..........I remember when all Trade dollars with any chopmark was crap. Now, the level of crap has a new bar. >>

kind of like toning. My how the world turns.

You vs. ANACS - Chopmarked Trade Dollar (Grade Posted)

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