Jumbo Morgan Silver Dollar.

dcarr · October 10, 2014 2:11PM

It's huge !

And while I was having fun with those, I had a true accidental error occur (no I'm not going to sell it):

messydesk · October 10, 2014 2:22PM

lostincoins · October 10, 2014 2:31PM

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What were you doing? Did you shrink down the other Morgan?

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lostincoins · October 10, 2014 3:07PM

Possibly a roller press? Hum now I want to see how big I can get a common date Morgan to get by rolling it out. you would have to anneal it between passes through a roller but it could turn out neat especially if you ATed it and made it into a clock face.

lasvegasteddy · October 10, 2014 3:23PM

reminds me of those wee-ha times putting coins on railroad tracks...taped or if lucky when a train was coming really added to the excitement

silverpop · October 10, 2014 11:25PM

look

mr fake coin maker is at it again flooding the market with his fakes, pity you have talent carr but now all you are is like the scammers on e-bay

but there are suckers who think they can make money off your fakes, I pity them and you

AngryTurtle · October 10, 2014 11:41PM

lostincoins · October 11, 2014 12:01AM

hey silverpop how do you feel about the Franklin mint, The Danbury mint, Northwest Territorial mint, Westminster mint, Regency mint, Sunshine mint, Silvertown mint, Great American mint, Medal Craft mint, Osborne mint, and all the other US mints? You do know that Dan did actually design some of our US coins? There is no need to pity people who do make money on the collectibles that Dan Carr produces as many people enjoy his coins and tokens. This is clearly evidenced by the fact that many of his series sell out. You should look at everything he produces before making such disparaging comments as I have yet to see anyone show that Dan has made a direct counterfeit copy of a currently circulating US coin. I have yet to see where Dan has produced a counterfeit coin and flooded the market with them. Could you please provide facts to your statement "look mr fake coin maker is at it again flooding the market with his fakes, pity you have talent carr but now all you are is like the scammers on e-bay but there are suckers who think they can make money off your fakes, I pity them and you"?

LindeDad · October 11, 2014 12:15AM

When one's own personal likes and dislikes become his credo they can make one into what is referred to as a bigot.

Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Yes there are rules lets all play nice today.

OPA · October 11, 2014 12:24AM

<< hey silverpop how do you feel about the Franklin mint, The Danbury mint, Northwest Territorial mint, Westminster mint, Regency mint, Sunshine mint, Silvertown mint, Great American mint, Medal Craft mint, Osborne mint, and all the other US mints? You do know that Dan did actually design some of our US coins? There is no need to pity people who do make money on the collectibles that Dan Carr produces as many people enjoy his coins and tokens. This is clearly evidenced by the fact that many of his series sell out. You should look at everything he produces before making such disparaging comments as I have yet to see anyone show that Dan has made a direct counterfeit copy of a currently circulating US coin. I have yet to see where Dan has produced a counterfeit coin and flooded the market with them. Could you please provide facts to your statement "look mr fake coin maker is at it again flooding the market with his fakes, pity you have talent carr but now all you are is like the scammers on e-bay but there are suckers who think they can make money off your fakes, I pity them and you"? >>

Footnote: I do not collect D.C. "reproductions," some are very well done and others lack in artistic designs.

coinnut86 · October 11, 2014 12:26AM

<< hey silverpop how do you feel about the Franklin mint, The Danbury mint, Northwest Territorial mint, Westminster mint, Regency mint, Sunshine mint, Silvertown mint, Great American mint, Medal Craft mint, Osborne mint, and all the other US mints? You do know that Dan did actually design some of our US coins? There is no need to pity people who do make money on the collectibles that Dan Carr produces as many people enjoy his coins and tokens. This is clearly evidenced by the fact that many of his series sell out. You should look at everything he produces before making such disparaging comments as I have yet to see anyone show that Dan has made a direct counterfeit copy of a currently circulating US coin. I have yet to see where Dan has produced a counterfeit coin and flooded the market with them. Could you please provide facts to your statement "look mr fake coin maker is at it again flooding the market with his fakes, pity you have talent carr but now all you are is like the scammers on e-bay but there are suckers who think they can make money off your fakes, I pity them and you"? >>

SilverPop is incapable of functioning "normally" with the public so he's not going to be able to provide a response to your post... He has communication problems....

bsshog40 · October 11, 2014 12:47AM

You can call that one "The Pancake Morgan". Lol

19Lyds · October 11, 2014 1:14AM

<< And while I was having fun with those, I had a true accidental error occur (no I'm not going to sell it):

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I'm confused on how this IKE/Kennedy Combination could accidently happen.

Care to explain?

mariner67 · October 11, 2014 1:26AM

SilverPop...please go away and stay away.

grip · October 11, 2014 2:14AM

<< look

mr fake coin maker is at it again flooding the market with his fakes, pity you have talent carr but now all you are is like the scammers on e-bay

but there are suckers who think they can make money off your fakes, I pity them and you >>

Bad. Bad

ricko · October 11, 2014 2:27AM

Thanks for showing us Dan. You do great work (I have some), and wish I had acquired some others. Cheers, RickO

habaraca · October 11, 2014 4:13AM

silverpop is spouting silverpoop

dcarr · October 11, 2014 4:24AM

Ok, I suppose an explanation is in order.

Many here are probably familiar with the novelty coins that are shrunken using electro-magnetic force. A coil of wires is carefully wrapped around a coin and then for a brief instant a spike of electrical current is passed through the wires imploding the coin. The coin is smaller in diameter and thicker than it was before (total mass stays the same). The relief details are generally preserved but they are exaggerated and somewhat distorted.

I have invented a way to increase the diameter of a coin. Unlike the shrinking process which uses electro-magnetic forces, my method uses purely mechanical forces. The details of the method are a "trade secret" for now. But I will say that a simple rolling mill operation does not work. That technique mashes down the high points too much, and a Morgan dollar rolled out the size of the one shown would be almost totally flat. Just like with the electro-magnetic process, my process does not add or remove any metal. The mass afterwards is the same as before. But with a larger diameter, that means the coin becomes thinner and the relief heights are proportionally shallower.

This was something that I dreamed up as a tangent to something else I was doing, and I finally got around to trying it out, mostly out of curiosity to see if it would even work. I may sell a few of them as novelties to recover my expenses in materials. Any with accidental image transfer (like the 1971-D Kennedy Half Dollar with 1971-S Eisenhower Dollar image over it) will not be sold.

Here is a picture with a few others. The normal-size coin in each pair is on the left:

coindeuce · October 11, 2014 4:31AM

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Pre-release promotion. Nothing new for the OP. Look for these to be advertised for sale in the BST shortly.

dcarr · October 11, 2014 4:39AM

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Pre-release promotion. Nothing new for the OP. Look for these to be advertised for sale in the BST shortly. >>

I had no plans to do that. I'm not listing them on my web site either.
I may put some out at the coin show.

lcoopie · October 11, 2014 4:44AM

Very interesting

Davideo · October 11, 2014 4:47AM

<< Pre-release promotion. Nothing new for the OP. Look for these to be advertised for sale in the BST shortly. >>

Do you have examples of this sort of thing happening previously? I would just like to have all the facts before forming my own opinion.

lcoopie · October 11, 2014 5:29AM

I admire the way DCarr responds to his critics

PerryHall · October 11, 2014 5:33AM

<< I admire the way DCarr responds to his critics >>

He doesn't feed the trolls.

epcjimi1 · October 11, 2014 7:09AM

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And the market for this is what? I don't get it.

Any cryogenic / deep freeze involved?

PerryHall · October 11, 2014 7:47AM

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And the market for this is what? I don't get it.

Any cryogenic / deep freeze involved? >>

I've seen these before and have heard them called "Texas dollars". They've been around a long time. Put a coin between two pieces of thick heavy leather and pound it all over with a heavy hammer many times until you get the desired results. The coin will get larger without any significant loss of detail and the results are similar to what Dan is showing although I'm not sure what method Dan used.

dcarr · October 11, 2014 7:49AM

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And the market for this is what? I don't get it.

Any cryogenic / deep freeze involved? >>

No temperature manipulation is involved (no freezing or melting).

I don't know if there even is a market. That is not why I did the experiments. I did them because I wanted to learn something. The shrunken coins do sell as novelties. The enlarged coins might as well, I don't know. It is kind of neat to hold one of the big Morgan Dollars in hand.

At a recent coin show I had fun showing people the 1968-D Kennedy. They looked at it with a puzzled look and then asked why I was showing them that ordinary coin. Then I put the normal-size 1968-D Kennedy next to it in their palm. Then their typical reaction was "oh, what ... what the heck is that, how did it happed ?". Then I'd show them the huge Morgan. As "gag" coins they are funny. But I'll probably get bored with them rather quickly and move on to regularly-scheduled production activities.

kranky · October 11, 2014 7:54AM

Whoa, that 1960-D Lincoln just became a Large Date!

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braddick · October 11, 2014 8:38AM

These have been around awhile. Here's a few I've owned for over 15 years:

MGLICKER · October 11, 2014 9:16AM

As if these presidents needed bigger heads......?

braddick · October 11, 2014 9:27AM

Yes. . . perhaps if Kennedy's head had been smaller...

MGLICKER · October 11, 2014 9:30AM

....or Lincoln.

Cam40 · October 11, 2014 10:55AM

maybe a large rubber disc was used to hammer out the coins flat?
thick leather sounds viable also. or perhaps thick layers of particle board?
something was used to mash the coins flat

PerryHall · October 11, 2014 11:14AM

<< maybe a large rubber disc was used to hammer out the coins flat?
thick leather sounds viable also. or perhaps thick layers of particle board?
something was used to mash the coins flat >>

This method works but it's very time consuming. I'm guessing that Dan runs these coins through semi-hard rollers several times while slowing reducing the spacing of the rollers and he rotates the coin 90 degrees each time so it stays round and doesn't become elongated. Dan---am I getting close?

lostincoins · October 11, 2014 11:35AM

I think both the enlarged and shrunken coins are interesting and could be used to make a neat clock. Say a very enlarged Morgan for the face and dimes and nickels shrunken for the numbers.

Cam40 · October 11, 2014 1:34PM

I would assume he uses his trusty old coin press to mash em out but, even if we guessed right
like he said, he`s keeping his method close to the vest so, he aint sayin`nuttin`

dcarr · October 11, 2014 1:36PM

<< I think both the enlarged and shrunken coins are interesting and could be used to make a neat clock. Say a very enlarged Morgan for the face and dimes and nickels shrunken for the numbers. >>

I was trying to thing of something that could be built using jumbo Morgan dollars.
The clock idea is interesting, but the stretching required to make it that big would cause some distortion, and the Morgan Dollar would end up very thin.

dcarr · October 11, 2014 1:36PM

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<< maybe a large rubber disc was used to hammer out the coins flat?
thick leather sounds viable also. or perhaps thick layers of particle board?
something was used to mash the coins flat >>

This method works but it's very time consuming. I'm guessing that Dan runs these coins through semi-hard rollers several times while slowing reducing the spacing of the rollers and he rotates the coin 90 degrees each time so it stays round and doesn't become elongated. Dan---am I getting close?

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Yes and no.

dcarr · October 11, 2014 1:38PM

<< These have been around awhile. Here's a few I've owned for over 15 years:

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That Morgan appears to have similar characteristics to the ones I've done.

Cam40 · October 11, 2014 1:39PM

how bout a morgan dollar drink coaster encased in acrylic?

illini420 · October 11, 2014 2:03PM

Pretty cool.

You could take one of those capital plastic year sets and fill all 5/6 spaces with dimes stretched to the right size

Meltdown · October 11, 2014 2:06PM

Very interesting. Love em or hate em, you've sure taken the hobby we all love to places not many folks can match.
I'm not always wild about some of the design liberties, but am a fan of your ingenuity.

Jumbo Morgan Silver Dollar.

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