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Remind Me to Buy 3CS's in Rattlers When I See Them...

Because this XF40 sold for MS62 money...

The coin looks slightly under-graded, but is that all? Am I overlooking some rare die variety?

Or are two people coincidentally building a set of these in Rattler holders and were both missing this date?

Whatever the case, I'm glad DKRC sold it. Some of Dave's coins have been selling too cheap lately, IMO.

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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    hey brian,
    buy 3cs's in rattler xf40's and send um to that seller to sell for you

    there
    i reminded ya

    lol
    good for that seller...maybe not so much for the buyer

    hopefully it's not shill action to boost values or interest ....image
    still way to small of coins for me those 3cs's are
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


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    stealerstealer Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭✭
    Because it's a legit business strike, and it looks like an AU50 by today's standards. That's my gander, since looking like a legit business strike seems to be a pretty big deal in 3c series.
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Because it's a legit business strike, and it looks like an AU50 by today's standards. That's my gander, since looking like a legit business strike seems to be a pretty big deal in 3c series. >>



    Why did this legit business strike in a Rattler graded 15 points higher sell for roughly the same price?

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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Circulation strikes for 3 cent silver's for the years 1863-1872 are very tough to find and IMHO are very underpriced even at that price. They are not around. To start with the mintages were very low and a lot of them were melted. I have them all except for an 1863. I bought my 1867 from a Heritage auction about 10 years ago.
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    That price seems about right for the coin, regardless of the rattler, and I think a nice MS62 business strike would bring closer to $2K nowadays.

    But I hope this coin actually is a business strike since the coin number on the holder (3717) is the proof number. Not sure what to make of that - typo? did the PCGS numbers change for this coin at some point? Did PCGS call circ. proofs XF40 instead of PF40 back in the day?
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,979 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Because it's a legit business strike, and it looks like an AU50 by today's standards. That's my gander, since looking like a legit business strike seems to be a pretty big deal in 3c series. >>



    Why did this legit business strike in a Rattler graded 15 points higher sell for roughly the same price?

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    The AU-55 looks like it has been dipped and the EF-40 looks to be original. A lot of collectors seem to shun circulated coins that are white from dipping these days.
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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Damn, that's a nice coin. It's certainly better than XF40. The only detraction is what looks like a staple scratch between STATES / OF.
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    I was going to mention the proof designation on the holder. For a circulated business strike the fields are superb and I would say under graded as well.
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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's skin on them bones!
    Original...
    Behind that skin is very little sign of wear.
    More than a little under graded IMO. Original skin goes a long way.

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that PCGS meant to grade this coin PF40. Granted, it can be almost impossible to distinguish proofs from business strikes on issues like this, especially in circulated grades, and especially from photos! But I would want to see more frostiness in the fields and weakness in some of the details than this coin has. I came across this coin Heritage sold last year, NGC fatty AU58. If I was looking for a "legit business strike" 1867 trime, I would want a coin like this. Look at the metal flow around the rims and weak detail on the obverse star and small reverse stars. This must have been one of the last struck of the reported 4,000. It also brought a commensurate $3K...

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think this is a proof coin but it might have been struck with recycled proof dies. To me it's a 55-58 quality piece, shot 60, and that's why it brought what it did. jmho

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would not swear from those pictures that either piece was a legitimate business strike. Might be, but I need to see the rims and edges.

    TD
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i hope the seller does not have issues with david lawrence rare coin (dlrc) and this guy (dkrc) just saying is all
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    DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    I think Indeetlib may have it right. Can't tell from the images for certain, but it has the "look & feel' of a proof to my eyes.
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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am pretty confident that Dave Kahn knows this is 100% a business strike coin or he would not offer it as such. You wont find a more honest down to earth straight up dealer.

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    numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think Indeetlib may have it right. Can't tell from the images for certain, but it has the "look & feel' of a proof to my eyes. >>



    I am pretty confident that Dave Kahn knows this is 100% a business strike coin or he would not offer it as such. You wont find a more honest down to earth straight up dealer.

    I think that you are both right. David Kahn is a coin guru and highly ethical, but so is Indeetlib. And DaveW is right that you "cannot tell from the images for certain." FWIW, I am in the circ Proof camp.
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    ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,445 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing to do with Rattler. It's a very tough date
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,979 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For what it's worth here is an 1867 trime in PR-65, Cameo as a comparison. There is no doubt about this coin's Proof status.

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    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There's skin on them bones!
    Original...
    Behind that skin is very little sign of wear.
    More than a little under graded IMO. Original skin goes a long way. >>




    What he said. It doesn't look much different than a Mint State coin to me. Where's the wear? And it's a far more pleasing coin than that AU55 with an old dipping/light cleaning.
    Looks to have rounded rims and weakish details (stair points and ridges, shield lines, etc.).

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