VERY SCARY STORY OF 2 FAKE 1884-S $1 PCGS MS62 ON EBAY

joebb21 · September 5, 2014 12:04AM

I watched as both coins sold at 2 separate times.
Each has a different cert # and both certs check up on pcgs.com
However, when you look closely at both coins on the obverse you can see the EXACT same marking (and spots) in the EXACT SAME PLACE on BOTH coins.
Seems somebody is making 1884-s $1's and printing pcgs cert tags of ms62, cracking out regular coins and replacing the slabs with the fake coins and fake certs.

1 other thing I just noticed is that both sellers are from Hayward,CA

COIN #1

COIN #2

rmpsrpms · September 5, 2014 12:16AM

Wow, those are the same "coin". Maybe same seller with two accounts. That was a quick $24k.

s4ny · September 5, 2014 12:26AM

Very strange. Seller 1 has only one feedback, the second seller has 1400 feedback scores and
very positive.

Why they would use the same town adds
to the mystery.

Browe · September 5, 2014 12:28AM

<< <i>Wow, those are the same "coin". Maybe same seller with two accounts. That was a quick $24k. >>

I think you might be right, both coins from the same location. It's possible not probable. I agree that they are exactly the same coin.

Item location:Hayward, California, United States

joebb21 · September 5, 2014 12:36AM

I messaged seller 2 (feedback 1400) and asked where the coin came from. He mentioned a new client came in with a collection he had just "inherited". the Inherited coins they valued at $120,000-$140,000

If the above is true (I would guess it is) seller 2 just got taken really bad.

Coupdescrounge · September 5, 2014 12:50AM

This same angle could be used with the MS70 coins and would anyone ever figure it out?

dcarr · September 5, 2014 3:21AM

It looks like an 1884-O obverse planed off and mated to an 1881-S reverse, and then sold in two different faked PCGS slabs.

epcjimi1 · September 5, 2014 3:37AM

Plot twist: Seller 1 cancelled the sale @ $12,751 according to the detailed feedback - link

jdillane · September 5, 2014 5:17AM

Super sleuthing!!

telephoto1 · September 5, 2014 5:45AM

Obviously the same coin in two different listings. Perhaps seller 1 consigned his junk to an unknowing (or knowing) seller 2...better FB rating makes it look more legit. That said, if you're a scammer and have a live one at $12k, why do you cancel? Weird.

Shortgapbob · September 5, 2014 5:57AM

Here is the real example of one of those two coins. We owned it and it is in a collection.

BillJones · September 5, 2014 7:44AM

Perhaps if you post the pictures to them, PCGS will include a picture with certification search. It would help to discredit this dangerous counterfeit.

joebb21 · September 5, 2014 7:53AM

pocketpiececommems · September 5, 2014 9:52AM

why would you spend 12K with a seller with a feedback of 1?

kaz · September 5, 2014 10:13AM

Looks a lot like the notorious "spitting Liberty" fakes.

s4ny · September 5, 2014 10:19AM

<< <i>why would you spend 12K with a seller with a feedback of 1?

>>

A seller with one positive and 2 NEUTRAL feedbacks (now including the cancelled 1884-S).

The other neutral feedback was for an iPhone with
an improperly connected battery and missing screws.

s4ny · September 5, 2014 10:25AM

Notice on the fake .............1946 it looks like the slab was opened and glued back together with too much glue.

The 1884 on the fake ...........1946 label is too close to the left edge.

Of course, the coin in the real slab does not have the distinctive markings of the fake, e.g. the dots
around the P on the obverse.

s4ny · September 5, 2014 10:33AM

I can't stop laughing now!

d***b (37) bid aggressively on both coins. Possible shill?

Iconbuster · September 5, 2014 11:29AM

Ah, I see The Hayward Scammer has made a return to eBay. This seller has been at it on and off for a few years, popping up under one ID, making a few sales and then switching to a different ID. The MO is always the same - selling wrong grade or outright fake coins in knock-off PCGS slabs. I almost got taken by this slimeball dirtbag around 3 years ago but was fortunate to have discovered it in time to do a successful credit chargeback. After that I had a number of his auctions pulled by eBay and I thought he had finally given up when I sent him an eBay message over a year ago and told him that the "Coin Posse" was onto him and that we wouldn't let his bogus coin auctions complete. It looks like he's decided to come out of hiding.

VERY SCARY STORY OF 2 FAKE 1884-S $1 PCGS MS62 ON EBAY

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