I've come to a conclusion about the edge view holders

ms70 · July 26, 2014 2:55PM

I like the old style better. I'd rather see the entire obverse & reverse rims than the edge. The 3 fingers obscure the enjoyment of the coin more than it enhances it.

illini420 · July 26, 2014 2:59PM

<< I like the old style better. I'd rather see the entire obverse & reverse rims than the edge. The 3 fingers obscure the enjoyment of the coin more than it enhances it. >>

For most coins, the old holders covered a small portion of the rims all the way around the coin, it was just less noticeable. The older inner gaskets were not direct fit to the coin (like the rattlers were which showed the entire rim of the coin). The new holder only covers roughly the same amount of the rim on a few parts of the coin, I like that much better. Particularly on coins where the edge matters like coins with edge lettering.

ms70 · July 26, 2014 3:02PM

I can definitely see having them for edge lettered coins. They make sense for that application.

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Kove · July 26, 2014 3:10PM

The old gaskets still covered part of the rims

I like the new prong holders.

Bochiman · July 26, 2014 3:10PM

<< I can definitely see having them for edge lettered coins. They make sense for that application. >>

Agree with this. I think the issue, on their side, is that they prefer to only have a "1 size fits most all" type of solution for buying/storing the parts they use. Less change of mistakes.
Yes, they do have more than 1 type of slab/parts, but the less they have, the less chance of someone doing differently than wanted and having it complained about.

Cheaper, most likely, as well, to buy larger numbers of bulk of 1 item than to buy the same number across multiple parts.

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steveben · July 26, 2014 4:03PM

at first, i didn't like them. now, i do. i think you see more of the coin, and that's a good thing.

BillJones · July 26, 2014 10:16PM

I prefer the new holders for both NGC and PCGS graded coins.

WingedLiberty1957 · July 26, 2014 10:30PM

The best coin holder/slab technology I've ever seen are the late-issue U.S. Mint Proof Sets.
The one shown below is from 2010.

What I like about it is you can see the entire obverse, entire reverse, and entire edge with no obstruction at all.
(Every slab style developed and used by both NGC and PCGS obstructs part of the coin so you cannot see it.)

The U.S. Mint nailed this issue and I always wondered why PCGS and/or NGC didn't adopt it (or at least a variation of it).

PerryHall · July 26, 2014 10:35PM

<< I prefer the new holders for both NGC and PCGS graded coins. >>

Agree. Life is full of compromises---there will never be a perfect slab that will satisfy everyone. My favorite slab was the old small white ANACS slab.

LanLord · July 26, 2014 11:51PM

<< The best coin holder/slab technology I've ever seen are the late-issue U.S. Mint Proof Sets.
The one shown below is from 2010.

What I like about it is you can see the entire obverse, entire reverse, and entire edge with no obstruction at all.
(Every slab style developed and used by both NGC and PCGS obstructs part of the coin so you cannot see it.)

The U.S. Mint nailed this issue and I always wondered why PCGS and/or NGC didn't adopt it (or at least a variation of it).

>>

While this is certainly a good step forward, it's not entirely problem free.
There have been some problems in recent years where the plastic insert that holds the PROOF coins in place cause a visual disturbance to the coin, in some cases there were very long threads discussing a "new" error type. Only to be completely refuted when the coin was removed from the Mint plastic to send in for authentication.

but, maybe more work is required.

lkeigwin · July 27, 2014 12:02AM

<< at first, i didn't like them. now, i do. i think you see more of the coin, and that's a good thing. >>

I agree. I have come full circle.

I thought the prongs would interfere with photos too much. But I like seeing much more of the edges. In many cases the old gaskets covered denticles and circle-cropped photos looked odd.

The new, clearer plastic is also much nicer. Thank you, PCGS!
Lance.

WildIdea · July 27, 2014 12:05AM

I have an affinity for older holders with solid gaskets. To the point where I forgo upgrade attempts because I'd rather have the classic holders.

Prong holders are evolving, I'm sure they'll be different any day, change as often as the I phone. The wimpy light blue fade insert I'm hoping they improve soon.

etexmike · July 27, 2014 12:48AM

I am not a fan of the new holders. Not all changes are for the best.

Mike

messydesk · July 27, 2014 12:56AM

I think on small, thin coins, like half dimes, trimes, $1 gold, the edge view "advantage" doesn't mean much, and the gasket grips the coin rather hamfistedly compared to the old gaskets. My favorite gasket is the circular pentaprism used by some company in Michigan for moderns.

ms70 · July 27, 2014 12:57AM

<< The wimpy light blue fade insert I'm hoping they improve soon. >>

That too!

Yorkshireman · July 27, 2014 12:59AM

I much prefer the new holders from both major TPGs. Seeing more of a coin is a good thing.

magikbilly · July 27, 2014 1:01AM

A collector of toned coins might very much like to see those edges. I like looking at the reeds - there be life in there! Reeds are also hard to forge properly as I recall, hopefully correctly, from some comments here with the flashlight photo thing to count reeds. I especially love the reeds on Proof Mercury Dimes.

Eric

ricko · July 27, 2014 1:01AM

Sometimes having raw coins is best..... something to be said for slab protection and the enhancement of certification - no doubt. However, having the raw coin to examine and admire also provides a great deal of satisfaction. Cheers, RickO

magikbilly · July 27, 2014 1:16AM

<< Sometimes having raw coins is best..... something to be said for slab protection and the enhancement of certification - no doubt. However, having the raw coin to examine and admire also provides a great deal of satisfaction. Cheers, RickO >>

very strongly. There is no substitute.

Eric

TwoFeathers · July 27, 2014 1:22AM

The prongs usually obscure the mintmark on Buffalo's... which is an important aspect to examine when viewing and considering.

123cents · July 27, 2014 1:39AM

I've actually had two coins fall out of the edge holder. I think for most coins I prefer the older holders.

Shamika · July 27, 2014 1:48AM

<< The prongs usually obscure the mintmark on Buffalo's... which is an important aspect to examine when viewing and considering. >>

I wouldn't say "usually". But I have noticed the same problem.

Walkerfan · July 27, 2014 3:07AM

I like them. Seeing the edge is cool. I also don't believe that enough of the rim is obscured by the prongs to make it bothersome (to me at least), although it is worse on SMALLER coins.

TomB · July 27, 2014 3:15AM

At first I did not care for the new prong holders, but over time I have come to like them better than the previous full gasket holders. No doubt some of my initial dislike was due to a lack of familiarity with the new prong holders. Since then, I realize that there appears to be better light on the coin with the new prong holders and the overlap of prong over coin seems less obtrusive than the old, sometimes irregularly shaped gaskets over the coin.

ms70 · July 27, 2014 3:20AM

Part of the problem is photography as well. Sure the old style sometimes obscured some rim, but not as much as the new ones. You can't get a good pic
without the three fingers showing.

Zoins · July 27, 2014 3:56AM

<< 

<< The best coin holder/slab technology I've ever seen are the late-issue U.S. Mint Proof Sets.
The one shown below is from 2010.

What I like about it is you can see the entire obverse, entire reverse, and entire edge with no obstruction at all.
(Every slab style developed and used by both NGC and PCGS obstructs part of the coin so you cannot see it.)

The U.S. Mint nailed this issue and I always wondered why PCGS and/or NGC didn't adopt it (or at least a variation of it).

>>

While this is certainly a good step forward, it's not entirely problem free.
There have been some problems in recent years where the plastic insert that holds the PROOF coins in place cause a visual disturbance to the coin, in some cases there were very long threads discussing a "new" error type. Only to be completely refuted when the coin was removed from the Mint plastic to send in for authentication.

but, maybe more work is required. >>

I agree these are nice holders. There may be some issues but the thing I like about these (and Air-Tites) is that they let you view the entire faces and edge.

ms70 · July 27, 2014 4:02AM

And it's incredibly amazing a U.S. Government agency is who came up with them!

If PCGS did something like that I'd have all my coins reholdered.

** i can hear the cash register sound ringing over & over from newport beach 3000 miles away **

I've come to a conclusion about the edge view holders

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