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Libertas americana bronze

karlsonkarlson Posts: 5
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Hi, I'm Kate and I'm new to the forum and interested in collecting coins/medals.

I am looking at a bronze Linertas Americana medal. The seller is asking $450 but I have no idea what year it was made as a restrike, or possibly an original (wishful thinking), and I was wondering if there are any factors to help identify its authenticity and year? Also, what would be a good price for a 19th century bronze restrike? I have pictures I can post if that will help.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Kate

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    OPAOPA Posts: 17,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There have been numerous re-strikes by the Paris Mint over the years and I believe most were issued a c.o.a's.

    below is an old thread from 2007 (last restrike) with pictures and info. it may help.

    2007 libertas thread
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome Kate. The Paris Mint made some bronze restrikes in 2006 and $450 sounds high for that issue, but a pic would help clarify things.
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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭
    That looks like an original but the price seems too good to be true. So possibly an electrotype?
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    Welcome Kate!

    Due to the softness of the lettering and the designs compared to an original striking (or a restrike, for that matter), I would say that those images depict a cast copy.

    Possibly it is an electrotype copy, but I think it is simply a cast copy.

    If that is the case, the value of that item would be closer to $25-$50 retail as a novelty rather than $450.

    Hope this helps.


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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>That looks like an original but the price seems too good to be true. So possibly an electrotype? >>



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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That image does not have the right "look" to me but danged if I can explain why.
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    karlsonkarlson Posts: 5
    Thank you all so much for clarification !
    I am so glad I found this forum 👍
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    karlsonkarlson Posts: 5
    What would also be a good price for 2005 bronze restrike ?
    Thank you!
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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Kate,

    A price of $450 is WAY too little an ORIGINAL, genuine Libertas Americana medal in bronze. Here is an example of the original medal, which in my collection. This piece is worth somewhere in neighborhood of $12,000.

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    The piece that you are considering looks like a fairly well preserved electrotype of the original medal. An electrotype is gray with a thin coating of copper on the top. Quite often there is a hole in coating which shows the gray metal that is under that. The $450 price is high for an electrotype. I think they sell for more like $225 to $325 depending on how nice they are.

    I am having trouble remembering the price for a modern Paris Mint copy of the Libertas Americana medal. The number $150 sticks in my brain but for the bronze it could have been $65. I know that when I was looking at them at a show that a silver copy was available as well, which may have had the $150 price tag. There is also a gold copy that sells for $3,000 or more depending upon the price of gold bullion.

    The modern bronze Libertas Americana medal has a subdued, but not matte, coppery surface. I think that it is a little smaller than the original, but I could be off on that. The trouble is when I am at a show and looking at something that interests me mildly, my memory is not precise.
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    welcome to the forum, Kate!!

    please open your PM function and get ahold of Dorkgirl and coinsarefun, two W.I.N.ners who are active at this site and they should be able to help you learn how to navigate this male-dominated Hobby and web-site. heck, it can be treacherous for a guy!!image
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 2006 Bronze Restrike sold for about $50, and the subsequent price range for it has been between $50 and $92.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is hard to say from the pictures, but that does not look like a genuine and original piece. I would suggest that you pass on it.
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    FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    I bought the Silver & Bronze restrikes , wow was it really back in 2006, I guess so, sounds about right. I vaguely
    remember paying around $50 & $150 for these.

    Haven't seen them in years so I'll need to dig them out. They look cool in the pics. Guess its fun being a hoarder
    after all? Finding these will be like treasure hunting.

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    halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I bought the Silver & Bronze restrikes , wow was it really back in 2006, I guess so, sounds about right. I vaguely
    remember paying around $50 & $150 for these.

    Haven't seen them in years so I'll need to dig them out. They look cool in the pics. Guess its fun being a hoarder
    after all? Finding these will be like treasure hunting.

    image >>



    WoW . . . I had completely forgotten that I bought 1 of each back around '06/'07 & stuck'em somewhere in the ol'safe.

    Are these things even worth issue price now? Although I can't remember what Talisman charged for them . . .

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    karlsonkarlson Posts: 5

    Can someone tell me where is the PM button in this forum ?
    I am looking everywhere
    I must be blind 😁
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Karlson...go to your profile (upper right corner of the page) and look for the allow private messages. Click ON and save.
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    jamakinjamakin Posts: 1,055
    FYI: if you are still looking there is a bronze restrike one going off on Ebay tonight
    PS turn on your PMimage
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    GBurger717GBurger717 Posts: 575
    I sold a restrike on ebay for 350.00 buy it now about 2 months ago in less then 24 hours. If that helps
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sold a restrike on ebay for 350.00 buy it now about 2 months ago in less then 24 hours. If that helps

    I believe that was a 1983 Bronze Restrike, 3" in diameter I believe. $350 was a good price.

    The 2006 Bronze issues were only 47mm diameter, which the one I have. Nice piece tho'.image
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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image Kate!

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