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While I was out driving around for work, I stopped at a little B&M shop. I found this peace dollar and it intrigued me. The owner says he got it out of an old Whitman album. He didn't want too high of price for it, so I decided to buy it and get ya'lls opinion of it. So do you think it's AT or NT? Feel free to throw some grades at it also.
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<< <i>It didn't look album toned to me either but I'm far from being an expert on these things. I paid $28 for it. No big deal. It will get put on my box of misc stuff. Lol I just wanted to hear opinions on it. >>
A 2K Peace dollar in a PCGS holder and, I think it's got a better than 50/50 shot at doing so.
A (possible) homerun!
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I don't think it would slab at PCGS, and likely not at NGC either.
Unusual look for a peace dollar, not looking album toned (more like holder toned for other denominations and years), but the job done on it isn't ugly.
Too hard to say on grade, but that all gets thrown out the window on this one anyway.
If you were to tire of it, and sell it, just for fun, I think you wouldn't have a hard time doubling your money.
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<< <i>I think it's well worth the risk for a shot of grading >>
I give it about a 1% chance, and respectfully disagree. However, the OP can probably recoup
original cost plus grading fees just by listing the coin raw on eBay, so he is in essence "playing
with house money".
I also purchased a nice colorfully rim-toned Peace dollar(though not nearly as intense as yours is) from a coin shop for cheap several years ago. I will have to get some pics out one of these days.
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<< <i>I think it's well worth the risk for a shot of grading >>
I give it about a 1% chance, and respectfully disagree. However, the OP can probably recoup
original cost plus grading fees just by listing the coin raw on eBay, so he is in essence "playing
with house money". >>
As usual I agree (in part) with Coinjunkie, on the fact that you're playing with house money. Nothing short of burning money on multiple submissions will affect you're return. And I bet even having a QC PCGS holder will push up it's value if you sold it because buyers will appreciate the honesty.
However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? I don't see anything, but do expect dogmatic references to the David Hall's remark about how peace dollars tone brown. While Peace dollars normally tone brown, and try to tone brown (or brown iridescence which can look like rainbow)there are some cons that hit attractive colors in sectors over their surface on the way to brown especially if they have had a light dipping
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It's slightly curious that you NEVER see these in key or semi-key dates..... always on BU, common-date coins that can be purchased at a slight premium to melt.
<< <i>However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? >>
The color progression does not look even close to natural to my eye. But hey, lots of coins that
look AT to me have made it into graded holders from reputable services over the years.
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<< <i>However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? >>
The color progression does not look even close to natural to my eye. But hey, lots of coins that
look AT to me have made it into graded holders from reputable services over the years. >>
Good debate and thank you for keeping it such. You're probably right! But I have driven a stake in the ground with my opinion and never mind being wrong, but my experience, born out of many submissions, is that this has a good chance of getting a straight low grade..
<< <i>I think it would be worth the investment to send it in to PCGS. If they holder and grade it, you will do very well. Colors like this on a Peace are much rarer than on Morgans. >>
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<< <i>However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? >>
The color progression does not look even close to natural to my eye. But hey, lots of coins that
look AT to me have made it into graded holders from reputable services over the years. >>
I'm not debating anyone's opinions on the color as I don't have that much experience with the process. But, I have seen where a lot of Morgans will show a nice progression in toning, and while I look at some toned Peace Dollars on ebay, I don't see a lot of that type of same progression. As I like the color regardless if NT or AT, why would a Peace tone differently than a Morgan? Both are made of the same material.
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The design, dies, & material stresses are just different. Morgan dies were basined. Peace dollar dies weren't. There are no PL or DMPL Peace dollars either.
<< <i>Same reason Washies tone nicely but SLQ's don't. All four coins are 90/10 Silver/Copper.
The design, dies, & material stresses are just different. Morgan dies were basined. Peace dollar dies weren't. There are no PL or DMPL Peace dollars either. >>
Thank you for the explanation!
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This is similar to one I experimented with - short dip, hair dryer and sulfur box. Cheers, RickO
One rarely sees wildly toned 1921 Morgans, either.
<< <i>The color has a hallmark natural progression to it. Photos are juiced to make the color pop a little too much. It's an NT coin by my eye. However, getting the NT blessing from PCGS or NGC will be very challenging. That color on a Morgan would slab as NT most of the time. On a Peace Dollar? 80% chance they bounce it back as AT. That's just the way toning seems to work. >>
Believe it or not, the photo is not juiced. The obv is actually a little darker in the pic than what it really is. The colors do pop!
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I usually look at a coin and immediately decide if I think the toning is o.k.
That coin is a little tougher. If it is AT'ed it is better than most.
I like it.
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I also see the color on the devices the same as the surrounding fields, plus it just don't look right to my eyes. I vote no-go on this one. But I have seen some slabbed ones that I shake my head to. I'd say good luck but I honestly can't because I don't like seeing questionable coins blessed by the services. Nothing against you and anybody that takes it that way needs to get a life.
Never seen a Peace Dollar like that.
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This coin has gone to PCGS regular submission. Received 06/30. Now it's just a waiting game.
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