How about a guess of NT or AT thread?

bsshog40

While I was out driving around for work, I stopped at a little B&M shop. I found this peace dollar and it intrigued me. The owner says he got it out of an old Whitman album. He didn't want too high of price for it, so I decided to buy it and get ya'lls opinion of it. So do you think it's AT or NT? Feel free to throw some grades at it also.

ModCrewman

I'll go with MA. Though I fear, I am wrong and it's AT.

crypto79

not even close to MA but i am sure there is a market for it.

bsshog40

It didn't look album toned to me either but I'm far from being an expert on these things. I paid $28 for it. No big deal. It will get put on my box of misc stuff. Lol I just wanted to hear opinions on it.

braddick

<< <i>It didn't look album toned to me either but I'm far from being an expert on these things. I paid $28 for it. No big deal. It will get put on my box of misc stuff. Lol I just wanted to hear opinions on it. >>



A 2K Peace dollar in a PCGS holder and, I think it's got a better than 50/50 shot at doing so.

A (possible) homerun!

Bochiman

For the price you paid, I would likely have purchased it as well.
I don't think it would slab at PCGS, and likely not at NGC either.

Unusual look for a peace dollar, not looking album toned (more like holder toned for other denominations and years), but the job done on it isn't ugly.

Too hard to say on grade, but that all gets thrown out the window on this one anyway.

If you were to tire of it, and sell it, just for fun, I think you wouldn't have a hard time doubling your money.

bolivarshagnasty

I think it would be worth the investment to send it in to PCGS. If they holder and grade it, you will do very well. Colors like this on a Peace are much rarer than on Morgans.

silverpop

AT and ugly

Justacommeman

I think it's well worth the risk for a shot of grading

MJ

PTVETTER

I think that will grade at PCGS

CoinJunkie

<< <i>I think it's well worth the risk for a shot of grading >>


I give it about a 1% chance, and respectfully disagree. However, the OP can probably recoup
original cost plus grading fees just by listing the coin raw on eBay, so he is in essence "playing
with house money".

johnny54321

AT or not, that is a beautiful piece. How is the luster in hand? Does it cartwheel well on the obverse? That would be the main factor for me, if the luster looks right.....this coin is an absolute winner regardless of what the "everything is AT" mob on this forum says.

I also purchased a nice colorfully rim-toned Peace dollar(though not nearly as intense as yours is) from a coin shop for cheap several years ago. I will have to get some pics out one of these days.

WTCG

AT all day long.

Coppercolor

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<< <i>I think it's well worth the risk for a shot of grading >>


I give it about a 1% chance, and respectfully disagree. However, the OP can probably recoup
original cost plus grading fees just by listing the coin raw on eBay, so he is in essence "playing
with house money". >>



As usual I agree (in part) with Coinjunkie, on the fact that you're playing with house money. Nothing short of burning money on multiple submissions will affect you're return. And I bet even having a QC PCGS holder will push up it's value if you sold it because buyers will appreciate the honesty.

However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? I don't see anything, but do expect dogmatic references to the David Hall's remark about how peace dollars tone brown. While Peace dollars normally tone brown, and try to tone brown (or brown iridescence which can look like rainbow)there are some cons that hit attractive colors in sectors over their surface on the way to brown especially if they have had a light dipping

lostincoins

FTB be nice As for the Peace Dollar I would send it in and see what happens as stated the benefits out weigh the negatives. Just like anything else we are seeing pics and not the coin in hand and that is the key on something like this. Your coin looks like this one and it graded so I think you have a better than 60% chance.

OldIndianNutKase

I don't see any signs of elevation chromatics which would indicate NT. But lack of does not necessarily indicate AT. I think it as attractive as toning is on Morgans and for that reason it might grade.

OINK

JJSingleton

AT all day long

BryceM

I'd vote AT. Small chance of a straight-grade at PCGS. If you did get lucky it would be quite profitable.

It's slightly curious that you NEVER see these in key or semi-key dates..... always on BU, common-date coins that can be purchased at a slight premium to melt.

CoinJunkie

<< <i>However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? >>


The color progression does not look even close to natural to my eye. But hey, lots of coins that
look AT to me have made it into graded holders from reputable services over the years.

Coppercolor

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<< <i>However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? >>


The color progression does not look even close to natural to my eye. But hey, lots of coins that
look AT to me have made it into graded holders from reputable services over the years. >>



Good debate and thank you for keeping it such. You're probably right! But I have driven a stake in the ground with my opinion and never mind being wrong, but my experience, born out of many submissions, is that this has a good chance of getting a straight low grade..

AUandAG

<< <i>I think it would be worth the investment to send it in to PCGS. If they holder and grade it, you will do very well. Colors like this on a Peace are much rarer than on Morgans. >>

bsshog40

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<< <i>However, I believe this coin is 100% NT. It was dipped lightly, not rinsed properly, and put in an album or envelope. What's so obviously AT about it? >>


The color progression does not look even close to natural to my eye. But hey, lots of coins that
look AT to me have made it into graded holders from reputable services over the years. >>


I'm not debating anyone's opinions on the color as I don't have that much experience with the process. But, I have seen where a lot of Morgans will show a nice progression in toning, and while I look at some toned Peace Dollars on ebay, I don't see a lot of that type of same progression. As I like the color regardless if NT or AT, why would a Peace tone differently than a Morgan? Both are made of the same material.

BryceM

Same reason Washies tone nicely but SLQ's don't. All four coins are 90/10 Silver/Copper.

The design, dies, & material stresses are just different. Morgan dies were basined. Peace dollar dies weren't. There are no PL or DMPL Peace dollars either.

bsshog40

<< <i>Same reason Washies tone nicely but SLQ's don't. All four coins are 90/10 Silver/Copper.

The design, dies, & material stresses are just different. Morgan dies were basined. Peace dollar dies weren't. There are no PL or DMPL Peace dollars either. >>


Thank you for the explanation!

ricko

Based on the picture, I would unhesitatingly call this AT....that being said, you should still submit it - there are many, many AT coins in slabs....
This is similar to one I experimented with - short dip, hair dryer and sulfur box. Cheers, RickO

CoinJunkie

It's also highly likely that the sulfur content of mint bags was much lower (or non-existent) by 1921.
One rarely sees wildly toned 1921 Morgans, either.

machoponcho

The color has a hallmark natural progression to it. Photos are juiced to make the color pop a little too much. It's an NT coin by my eye. However, getting the NT blessing from PCGS or NGC will be very challenging. That color on a Morgan would slab as NT most of the time. On a Peace Dollar? 80% chance they bounce it back as AT. That's just the way toning seems to work.

bsshog40

<< <i>The color has a hallmark natural progression to it. Photos are juiced to make the color pop a little too much. It's an NT coin by my eye. However, getting the NT blessing from PCGS or NGC will be very challenging. That color on a Morgan would slab as NT most of the time. On a Peace Dollar? 80% chance they bounce it back as AT. That's just the way toning seems to work. >>


Believe it or not, the photo is not juiced. The obv is actually a little darker in the pic than what it really is. The colors do pop!

UtahCoin

Hard to get hurt at $28.

OldIndianNutKase

<<This is similar to one I experimented with - short dip, hair dryer and sulfur box. Cheers, RickO>>

So, henceforth, you shall now be known as Dr. O........

OINK

rkp

It may be NT, but has the appearance of AT

Flatwoods

Nice coin.
I usually look at a coin and immediately decide if I think the toning is o.k.

That coin is a little tougher. If it is AT'ed it is better than most.
I like it.

vibr0nic

It would not surprise me to see it slab. Peace toning is often a bit odd compared to Morgans or other coins that are more commonly toned.

bsshog40

Well I've never been one to gamble, but I'm thinking I just may give this a shot and send it to our hosts for their opinion. If I lose the gamble, well then just a lesson learned.

stman

I've seen a few Peace$ with somewhat the same colors, BUT, on this example I don't see any blending of the colors like mother nature long term storage does.
I also see the color on the devices the same as the surrounding fields, plus it just don't look right to my eyes. I vote no-go on this one. But I have seen some slabbed ones that I shake my head to. I'd say good luck but I honestly can't because I don't like seeing questionable coins blessed by the services. Nothing against you and anybody that takes it that way needs to get a life.

coindudeonebay

Bobby, you already know I'm on the AT side of the fence... but I'm also in the neighborhood of send that sucker in!

metalmeister

Well, at least you didn't pay $2800 for it.
Never seen a Peace Dollar like that.

WingedLiberty1957

i vote NT

bsshog40

Ok, I bit the bullet. Off to pcgs it goes in the morning. Wish me luck! This will be my first submission!

toyz4geo

Cool coin. I look forward to another post with the results of your submission.
Good luck

bsshog40

It goes out in the morning. If this coin had an old dip then I don't think it was too bad. The coin has some very nice luster and my 7x didn't see any hairlines. If anything knocks it down, it should just be if the toning is questionable by the graders.

lostincoins

The Peace Dollar I posted for you to compare to is a MS64 graded by PCGS and is in their coin facts pics just so you know. You coin has a very similar color profile and if they were to see that pic/coin before yours I would say yours would come back MS64/65. Also I like the coin very much and have had a 24 with colors like this. The way the Peace dollars were struck causes them to tone differently because of the pressures used and the way the metal flowed and moved during that process.

bsshog40

I had to bump this so I could find it again.
This coin has gone to PCGS regular submission. Received 06/30. Now it's just a waiting game.

crazyhounddog

I find the obverse of this piece VERY attractive !!