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  • Shamika
    Shamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
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    As a non-collector of coppers, that would have faked me out although the sellers ZERO feedback would have been a red flag.



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  • AngryTurtle
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    << <i>As a non-collector of coppers, that would have faked me out although the sellers ZERO feedback would have been a red flag. >>



    As a collector of that era, working on my copper skills, that one may have faked me out!
  • crypto79
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    Very tricky making it look like a ground dug coin
  • AngryTurtle
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    AlloftheAbove76, what is your analysis of the diagnostics?
  • LindeDad
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    << <i>AlloftheAbove76, what is your analysis of the diagnostics? >>



    Agree not being into them need a reason other than that zero feedback to report.
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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    i would just fall over with elatement to buy something like that "authentic" for $2600.

    it is also a dead-lock for the S-1 but i'm sure they have spark erosioned or made plenty of castings to get most diagnostics right-on.

    those small images, dang, sure make it difficult and i can't be certain 100%.

    although i think those fingers are counterfeit. i don't recall ever seeing digger's fingers THAT clean. ><
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  • CaptHenway
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    Where did the Gallery Mint mark theirs?
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  • ricko
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    Auction ended by the seller..... not sure if it was because of counterfeit determination or sold privately..... would like to know the diagnostics that determined it fake... Cheers, RickO
  • CaptHenway
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    << <i>Auction ended by the seller..... not sure if it was because of counterfeit determination or sold privately..... would like to know the diagnostics that determined it fake... Cheers, RickO >>



    I saw nothing that I could condemn it for, just as I saw nothing that would make me want to say it was genuine. Maybe if I had it in hand I could offer an opinion, but not from those pictures.
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  • pcgs69
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    I'm in the, "tell us what makes it a fake" boat.
  • BillJones
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    << <i>I'm in the, "tell us what makes it a fake" boat. >>



    The piece appears to be a cast copy. The roughness on the obverse does not look "right." It has bubbles that appear to raised, not pits that are into the metal. Also the rough reverse does not seem to match the roughness of the obverse. There also raised bubbles back there too, which don't look like the usual black corrosion.

    I'm not 100% sure this is bad, but it brings up enough issues to give it 90% "bad" rating. It would be interesting to see it in person and have a look at the edge.
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  • indeetlib
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    I thought that coin looked familiar!

    I agree there's not enough in the photos to confirm or condemn authenticity (although it looks fine to me) but this thread might be of interest...link image
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  • Zoins
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    << <i>I thought that coin looked familiar!

    I agree there's not enough in the photos to confirm or condemn authenticity (although it looks fine to me) but this thread might be of interest...link image >>



    Could it be real?
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  • indeetlib
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    << <i>

    << <i>I thought that coin looked familiar!

    I agree there's not enough in the photos to confirm or condemn authenticity (although it looks fine to me) but this thread might be of interest...link image >>



    Could it be real? >>



    1. All the detail matches up with the S-1, AMERI die variety.

    2. No clear signs of it being a copy of any sort.

    3. Was dug up along with some barely circulated, and clearly real, CT Coppers, thus placing it in the right time period.

    I'm fine with calling it real.
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  • CaptHenway
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    << <i>I thought that coin looked familiar!

    I agree there's not enough in the photos to confirm or condemn authenticity (although it looks fine to me) but this thread might be of interest...link image >>



    Thank you for the link. Maybe it is a genuine dug coin.
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  • MsMorrisine
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    << <i>

    << <i>I'm in the, "tell us what makes it a fake" boat. >>



    The piece appears to be a cast copy. The roughness on the obverse does not look "right." It has bubbles that appear to raised, not pits that are into the metal. Also the rough reverse does not seem to match the roughness of the obverse. There also raised bubbles back there too, which don't look like the usual black corrosion.

    I'm not 100% sure this is bad, but it brings up enough issues to give it 90% "bad" rating. It would be interesting to see it in person and have a look at the edge. >>



    At 90% it is only a possible fake.

    Get it to 100% and it is reportable as absolutely fake.

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  • lostincoins
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    The bubbles on the surface are 100% normal for dug metal as the surface reacts with moisture and chemicals in the ground The top layer of the coin becomes oxidized and corroded and starts to pull away.

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