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(And yes, this point is beating a dead horse!)
Because that would partially mean one would get less attention.
From her rant: "My solution is simple: make people be identified by their REAL names-and ONLY accept registrations that can be confirmed."
Boy, it is interesting that someone that has such a thin-skin finds it difficult to belong to an open forum - oh, that's right, she was booted.
Erik
even if real names are used, I can cite examples where people provide misleading info to others to get them to feel sympathy towards their position.
How about dealing with real names and in person? I can point out one person from the previous sentence who went before a public entity during a hearing and grossly exaggerated a problem to them. Luckily, those public officals didn't buy it. My idea after that came from what I saw in another jurisdiction: swear people in with a threat of perjury. But can't we all think of times when there has been lying on the stand?
I may be one of those wise-fools -- those who have a little information and are dangerous because of it -- at times. The thing to do is to post about the errors and refute positions taken. This way everyone learns, not only about the subject, but also about the quality of info the person provides.
<===== Now accepting all flames, corrections, eye rolls, and "wow... clueless" comments publically. Don't reserve them for PM or inside your own head or no one will benefit.
C'mon Laura.
Educating the masses...
will it ever be done?
as new people enter, they have incorrect info and ideas which must be educated away.
It's a never ending story. The way to deal with it is to just keep the corrections coming.
(PS: I was just about to get bored and post a GTGGS thread, then this came up ....
<< <i>Sesspool?
C'mon Laura. >>
Mr. Sesspool to you comrade. Wait. What?
<< <i>Sesspool?
C'mon Laura. >>
That one was easily cussed out....
<< <i>
<< <i>Sesspool?
C'mon Laura. >>
Mr. Sesspool to you comrade. Wait. What?
Question is, will this thread beat the delete thread to 100?
I've never tried to find out what anyone's real name was on this forum. Why would I care?
And as for anonymity, security considerations make Laura's proposal naive, at best.
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For as much bad information, deceit there is here, there is probably at least 5x good information, support, etc. If over 60% of what she sees is inaccurate, she is looking pretty selectively.
But let's get nanny Sperber to clean things up!
Dear Laura - Please note that MrEureka and EurekaGold are separate entitities.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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"sesspools villian misaligened gosple credibity bourse floor threqad unessecary negavity finacially Teh definately"
David
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
<< <i>Far more good is done here than bad. This forum has saved many a new collector from buying doctored, damaged or counterfeit coins. >>
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
First, there is only one forum police here... and she ain't it. If she wants to sponsor a chat room and set rules on ID's go for it. But don't pretend to tell other people how to run their business just because you would do it differently.
I understand there are many good reasons for confidentiality on the boards but none have ever applied to me. If you can't figure out my real name from my forum ID, there's not much I can do to help you.
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<< <i>Hot Topics: Today on PCGS there is a threqad stating: "What dealers do not want you to know". Really? Is that needed? It creates unessecary dealer bashing and negavity. >>
I'm surprised by this. I didn't think the thread was that bad.
<< <i>Market Report: We feel it is critical to prove that there is huge money out there looking for places to go. The arguement that you can display a $75 million dollar painting but you can't display a coin does not work for us. These days, because iof substanital values you need heavy security to display anything. If you can display a painting worth so much, you can creat a secure display at home for a coin too. The coin market to date only has the Legend owned $1 1794 that cost $10,000,000.00 (plus another 3-4 coins that if sold would break that mark). >>
I think the issue is that more people can appreciate an art display than a coin display, not whether you can display it securely or not.
As for the misinformation, what's seen here is probably no more misleading that what you can see and hear at a coin show. The difference is that here, it's much easier to get to the bottom of what's good information and what's not. If someone posts a rant about how dealers suck and only want to screw collectors, while there will be people taking the opportunity to pile one with their anecdotal evidence, there will be others handily refuting that assertion. A new collector that searches the forum years from now will see both sides of the story. If they overhear "Dealer XYZ is a crook" while waiting to spend $10 on a convention center hot dog, they won't get others' perspectives.
As for grading from pictures, she's right. You miss a lot by grading from a picture, but not everything. If grading from a picture were as dangerous as she says, then LM auctions should not post pics of their coins, but rather insist that for the protection of bidders, only coins seen in hand or by a representative should be bid on. That wouldn't go over very well, of course. She should also slap TDN on the wrist every time he responds to a GTG thread with a grade. Of course, for all I know she lets him have it upside the head with a shovel when he does that.
Chatrooms and forums do have some of the issues she mentions, but so does every other venue of information exchange. There's a ton of really good information here along with the noise, and much of that came from people whose names I don't know. I don't think you'd get as much of the good info that exists today if you stripped away people's anonymity. What might have been more productive on her part would have been rules for how to get the good information out of a forum.
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Brilliant, Messydesk!
<< <i>Wow, she's creeping close to going over the edge with that rant.
First, there is only one forum police here... and she ain't it. If she wants to sponsor a chat room and set rules on ID's go for it. But don't pretend to tell other people how to run their business just because you would do it differently.
I understand there are many good reasons for confidentiality on the boards but none have ever applied to me. If you can't figure out my real name from my forum ID, there's not much I can do to help you. >>
I know who you are. But surprise surprise I'm no stoolie , your secret is safe with me. If you really want people to know
your name YOU need to just tell them.
You'll not have me to put your blames on.
A. Internet forums don't have a monopoly on misinformation. In fact, my view is that this is one of the most useful places to find real opinions from real people who have real skin in the game. Are there idiots who post stupid things? Sure, but most people with a brain know how to sift through it. Is everything I post relevant or even accurate? Probably not. We're all at different levels. We're all learning. Most of us are actually trying to be helpful and as smart as we can in a complicated hobby. Some of the most helpful people in the world post here regularly. Do I have incorrect stuff floating around in my head that I picked up here? Maybe, but much of that is probably only a difference of opinion as opposed to factually incorrect beliefs.
B. The benefits of discretion, anonymity, and tact far outweigh the harm done by a few trolls who hide behind their keyboards.
C. Just because it's difficult to grade from photos doesn't mean we can't learn from the exercise.
D. Dealer bashing. Yeah, it probably isn't too tactful, and I'm sure it infuriates the honest dealers out there. However, you have to admit, there's a reason people do it. There are few people around the hobby who haven't been royally burned a time or two. There is also a distinction between a thread titled "What dealers don't want you to know" (which contains legitimate points of discussion) and outright bashing.
E. If she's crying sour grapes for losing some sales from bad information found on the Internet, it's her job to educate the consumer and do a better job as a salesperson. As a physician I'm bombarded every day with nonsense people dig up while surfing the web. All but the truly hopeless respond very nicely to clear information provided in an appropriate way by a professional.
F. I assume the TPGs will continue to run their forums as they see fit. She's always free to operate and bankroll her own.
<< <i>Welcome to a democracy - if you don't like free speech, move to Russia.
As per my Slavic literature professor this semester, there is no word for "privacy" in the Russian language.
<< <i>Anyone know which thread ticked her off like that? >>
I think it's Things Coin Dealers Don't Want You To Know from Coinosaurus.
That somewhat matches her post:
<< <i>Today on PCGS there is a threqad stating: "What dealers do not want you to know". >>
Edit: I see you're looking for a different thread now. Perhaps a GTG thread?
<< <i>Put yourself in my shoes, come here and listen to what damage I have to fix from because of the chatrooms every day. More people seem to HURT than helped on them lately. >>
Does anyone know what harm she's referring to? GTG threads?
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<< <i>Put yourself in my shoes, come here and listen to what damage I have to fix from because of the chatrooms every day. More people seem to HURT than helped on them lately. >>
Does anyone know what harm she's referring to? GTG threads? >>
no idea.
I wish she'd channel some of the back story this way.
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<< <i>Put yourself in my shoes, come here and listen to what damage I have to fix from because of the chatrooms every day. More people seem to HURT than helped on them lately. >>
Does anyone know what harm she's referring to? >>
I did kinda stub my toe walking to my desk to read this thread. Maybe she was talking about that.
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"My solution is simple: make COIN DOCTORS be identified by their REAL names. This will cut down ANY attacks, misinformation, problem trades and dealer shenanigans. Further, with not having to be identified did you ever stop to think how you really have no clue who you are speaking too? Sadly, the need for making names public is too stop abuse. TIME FOR MAJOR CHANGES! It will make COIN COLLECTING a much SAFER place IF YOU JUST NAME THE COIN DOCTORS IN PUBLIC! "
Sometimes I feel like I am watching a child throwing a tantrum when I read the hot topics.
<< <i>Is it hypocritical if she asks for our names but refuses to give the names of all the known coin doctors she talks about all the time? If it is so harmless, what is she afraid of? Post them on the internet and stop spreading rumors that can't be substantiated because you won't name names. Post the names of all these coin doctors you know and I will post my name at the bottom of my post. Here is what she wrote with a few additions in caps by me:
"My solution is simple: make COIN DOCTORS be identified by their REAL names. This will cut down ANY attacks, misinformation, problem trades and dealer shenanigans. Further, with not having to be identified did you ever stop to think how you really have no clue who you are speaking too? Sadly, the need for making names public is too stop abuse. TIME FOR MAJOR CHANGES! It will make COIN COLLECTING a much SAFER place IF YOU JUST NAME THE COIN DOCTORS IN PUBLIC! "
Sometimes I feel like I am watching a child throwing a tantrum when I read the hot topics. >>
I don't think that's hypocritical. I was around when she did name some coin doctors in the past. Apparently, there were issues with that approach.
If coin doctors were to be named, I think they may need to be named via a popular vendor rating website, like Yelp or something similar.
<< <i>
<< <i>Is it hypocritical if she asks for our names but refuses to give the names of all the known coin doctors she talks about all the time? If it is so harmless, what is she afraid of? Post them on the internet and stop spreading rumors that can't be substantiated because you won't name names. Post the names of all these coin doctors you know and I will post my name at the bottom of my post. Here is what she wrote with a few additions in caps by me:
"My solution is simple: make COIN DOCTORS be identified by their REAL names. This will cut down ANY attacks, misinformation, problem trades and dealer shenanigans. Further, with not having to be identified did you ever stop to think how you really have no clue who you are speaking too? Sadly, the need for making names public is too stop abuse. TIME FOR MAJOR CHANGES! It will make COIN COLLECTING a much SAFER place IF YOU JUST NAME THE COIN DOCTORS IN PUBLIC! "
Sometimes I feel like I am watching a child throwing a tantrum when I read the hot topics. >>
I don't think that's hypocritical. I was around when she did name some coin doctors in the past. Apparently, there were issues with that strategy. >>
What are the issues? Libel? If she can prove it, post it!
I have been following her reports and attempts at change with a keen interest and hope. This one pushed me off the fence so hard I think I lost my 2 front teeth.
Sorry Laura but you just lost this possible follower and supporter.
<< <i>Anyone know which thread ticked her off like that? Besides this one >>
Coin Urban Legends & Mythbusters ?
Also, she really needs to learn to spell and use decent grammar. She should see all of the spell check suggestions as she is typing.
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bid from two dimensional photographs, with no return privilege. Laura, have you given up on righting the ANA ship? Your efforts there are far more valuable to the Numismatic Community, than worrying about the forums. After all, don't we have a forum moderator? And we do lose forum members (a lot of them) when they cross the line. JMHO
To quote one of her buddies favorite sayings on this board.
"That is just plain silly"!! Oh ya, another......"Sigh"!!