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I have been of the opinion that when the one cent coin is discontinued, the value of the existing cent coins will rise. I have nothing to base this opinion on except my own sense of supply and demand, and I have no sense what the increase might be, except in the 10% range. Does anyone disagree with this - either that they won't be discontinued, or that the value won't rise? Is there any speculation going on? Has there ever been a coin series that decreased in value after being discontinued? Interested to hear other's opinions.
"If someone says 'A penny for your thoughts' and you give them your 2 cents worth, what happens to the extra penny?" G.Carlin

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The half was discontinued but is that a good comparison because it didn't circulate hardly at all before the circulation strike halt. likewise for the new dollars.

    what about half cents, 2 cents and 3 cents?

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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    My old Jimi Hendrix albums have not increased in value ....yet.
  • A massive amount of Canadian cents have been turned back to the banks and government.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would cheer!
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  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    Values would rise because demand would increase.

    There would be a general public perception (false in most cases) that one-cent coins
    are rare. . . that they'll become scarcer and scarcer. . . that they're all valuable
    collectibles now.

    Americans who don't consider themselves coin collectors will save the coins, advertisers
    will promote them to the mass market, all sorts of new folders, albums, display cases,
    etc., will be produced and marketed.

    When the half cent and large cent were discontinued in the late 1850s, there was
    a popular increase in interest in the old copper coins. Americans sought to collect
    one of each date of large cents dating back to the 1790s. It was a huge boost to
    the popularity of coin collecting in the United States.

    Conditions are different today; yes, there are many more Americans than there were
    in 1857, but the quantity of Lincoln cents minted is in the billions. So real scarcity
    for the type won't be a factor for many generations.

    Still, demand will increase while supply remains static. Simple economics tells us
    that the older coins (Wheat cents and older) will increase in value.




  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ......... they're the exact opposite of rare. They made a half-trillion of them.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,271 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wheat cents were discontinued after 1958. You'd be lucky to get melt for them.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My old Jimi Hendrix albums have not increased in value ....yet. >>



    What if 6 turned out to be 9?
  • mustangmanbobmustangmanbob Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My hope is that copper will go to $4 a pound and 5 trillion wheat and pre 1983 cents will be melted down.

    Maybe the UNSEARCHED ROLLS / UNSEARCHED BAGS will disappear.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think there would be an interest for existing collectors to complete their collections.

    There would be massive promotions for the "Last Penny" set by telemarketers.

    The main beneficiary of the influx of collectors will be on the 1955 doubled die and 1909-S VDB, as they are always in demand.

    My own feeling is that the Mint should make cents only for the collector market for awhile. Collector rolls, Mint sets and Proof sets - of course at their normal huge premium.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,549 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd pass out from shock and wake up one day closer to common sense.
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As a cent collector I say lets get rid of them and the sooner-the-better. I could see new interest in collecting them and a slight premium, but lets be real..Billions of cents were made.

    WS
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,741 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The government has issued so many modern cents that I could not see the values going up for REAL collectors, BUT, I am sure that the barkers on the cable TV channels will have a field day with their "rare" rolls of cents that "will NEVER be issued again."

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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>......... they're the exact opposite of rare. They made a half-trillion of them. >>



    Got that right. My understanding is that half of all coins produced during the history of mankind are Lincoln cents.
  • mcgrovermcgrover Posts: 209
    OK, all good. It seems like everybody responding is conceding that the cent coin will be discontinued eventually. What do you all think will be the factor that will push this over the edge? Seems economics would play the biggest part, but I have 2 thoughts - 1) how high would the price of copper or zinc have to be to make the change, and 2) any chance a cent will be struck in a different metal? - coal, aluminum, back to steel, bitcoins? Or paper? I agree that nothing compares to the cent, and history may not inform us of much.
    "If someone says 'A penny for your thoughts' and you give them your 2 cents worth, what happens to the extra penny?" G.Carlin
  • edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388
    My 7 varieties of 1982 cents set is going to skyrocket in value!
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The current cent is 97.5% zinc by weight.

    The mint is looking into alternate metals over copper.

    The only metals cheaper are aluminum, lead, steel, and zinc. Obviously lead is out.

    The remaining three are comparable in cost. So, as it is now, there is no possible metallic replacement for the zinc cent.



    The economics already exist to halt the cent and nickel production.

    Perhaps a tipping point will be when major retailers like Walmart will decide on its own to round to nickels.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any increase in value would be short lived. Once out-of-sight they would quickly be out of mind as far as the general public is concerned.

    The Canadian cent was discontinued recently. What is happening to the cent market in Canada?
    All glory is fleeting.
  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Billions & billions of cents. They could stop making them today without any warning and their collector value is not going to materially increase for a few centuries IMO.

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It won't happen. No politician is foolhardy enough to kick Lincoln off a coin. (period)
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My prediction - by 2025 the cent will no longer be manufactured. My reason for such a statement - absolutely no foundation in fact - just logic says that it already is too costly to produce.... Of course, one very real possibility to preclude this, would be a major economic disaster... and that is possible. Cheers, RickO
  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would be about time. Not if, but when.
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  • Anything collectible has already been minted and will be unaffected. Modern cents are minted in the billions and will never be collectible. Maybe a few more coin collectors will be drawn in but I doubt it would have any significant impact.
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My own feeling is that the Mint should make cents only for the collector market for awhile. Collector rolls, Mint sets and Proof sets - of course at their normal huge premium.

    And they should go back to bronze, as well as a more natural, aesthetically pleasing design of Lincoln.
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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,374 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My prediction - by 2025 the cent will no longer be manufactured. My reason for such a statement - absolutely no foundation in fact - just logic says that it already is too costly to produce.... >>

    RickO thinks that logic will shape something controlled by a governmental body image
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  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The main reason one-cent coins continue to be produced at all is demand for use in commerce. Since prices are denominated in dollars and cents, a one-cent coin is necessary to allow exact change to be given for cash transactions.

    The main reason one-cent coins are produced by the billions each year is that their value has declined to the point that they are a nuisance to carry around in change, or to roll up and take to the bank. So people tend to accumulate them in jars or elsewhere rather than re-spend the ones they receive in change. Cents tend to circulate in one direction, store to consumer, while there is more two-way circulation for higher value coins.

    Eliminating the cent, as Canada did, would only be a temporary fix unless inflation were brought to a halt. Eventually we would have to eliminate the nickel, then the dime, and on and on.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    if they dump the cent then they dump it. move on
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most people won't even notice.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have been of the opinion that when the one cent coin is discontinued, the value of the existing cent coins will rise. I have nothing to base this opinion on except my own sense of supply and demand, and I have no sense what the increase might be, except in the 10% range. Does anyone disagree with this - either that they won't be discontinued, or that the value won't rise? Is there any speculation going on? Has there ever been a coin series that decreased in value after being discontinued? Interested to hear other's opinions. >>

    Uhhhhhh.........No.

    I don't think that there are that many modern Lincoln Cent Collectors.

    There are lots and lots of Looky Lou's searching for the "next big thing" but I just cannot believe that folks are sticking these away in Dansco's. Even if they were, they've made multiple "billions" of these cents every year for the past 49 years so, the current supply should last for several thousand lifetimes.

    Of course, this does not take into consideration the many doofie that will get sucked into a sudden price increase should an announcement be made (and I'm sure the TV Hucksters will be all over it) but sudden surges in popularity rarely last and usually lots of folks end up with very "expensive" coins (on paper at least) which have no real lasting value.

    Just my opinions..........
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They'll continue producing them in plastic.

    (I'm joking, but after thinking about it for a moment, I must say I wouldn't be surprised...)

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  • edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388
    Intended for single use, like toilet paper.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Since prices are denominated in dollars and cents, a one-cent coin is necessary to allow exact change to be given for cash transactions. >>

    If it is necessary in order to allow for exact change, why doesn't the mint make 1/2 cent and 1/3 cent coins?
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    Definitely there would be an increase in value. However since most people probably now value them at around 80 cents
    per $1 , they would probably only be worth around 85 cents per $1. image

    If there was a discontinuation of the penny then one part of the litter problem would be gone. Now how are we going to
    solve the cig butts problem ?

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