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The real problem with shipping HOF Coins at the mint ?

HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
Comment from Coin Week writer Louis Golino:

Louis Golino

May 7, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I have asked the Mint for some clarification on the shipping delays, and I believe it is hurting the Mint’s image to continue to allow this situation to fester without providing any info.

Some people in the blogosphere say they were told by CS reps that there are production problems. If so, the Mint really has an obligation to tell its customers who have spent millions of dollars on these products what is going on.

And quite frankly, like many other buyers I am not pleased with the way those free black bags were handled. They charged me shipping on all my unshipped orders so they could mail a box with a reusable bag. The bags should only be shipped with the product, and the buyer should be able to opt out as many do not want them. If the Mint fails to provide the products we are expecting, are we going to get refunds on shipping charges for those bags?

I am not trying to pile on here, and have defended the Mint many times in my articles, but this situation needs to be addressed asap. And in all the years I have been a Mint customer, this is by far the worst order fulfillment fiasco I have encountered. It is one thing when, such as with some of the special silver eagle sets, we were told upfront to expect a delay of a couple months, but in this case orders placed within a couple hrs of the start of sales on March 27 have estimated shipping dates that are getting pushed out to the middle of the summer with no explanation given.

Other mints around the world do sometimes encounter production or other delays, but they make that info. available to their customer or to the dealers who distribute their products.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater

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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    A couple of other fiascos - the $20 Ultra high relief Double Eagle and the 5oz ATB without mintmark that went to certain distributers.
    Paul
  • nagsnags Posts: 905 ✭✭✭✭
    Personally, I ordered some HOF coins knowing that at some point I'll be charged for them and at some point shortly thereafter I will receive them. As a collector, I really don't care if that day is tomorrow or September 1st. Hopefully I'm not in the minority in my thinking.
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weather or not you have recieved your coins yet is not the real issue here. As stated above the Mint is a business

    that has taken millions of dollars of orders, which it has not shipped, without any explanation to its customers as

    to why they have not been shipped. This we can do whatever we want whenever we want without any explanation

    has turned many people off to buying many mint issues except for the hottest of items. Anyone who looks at the last few years

    of issues will see declines in almost all products, with only the hottest and most flippable coins doing really well. This will eventually

    come back to be an issue for them.


    P.S. I read the mint directions for the waiting room and was in at 12:00 and completed my checkout at 12:01 as if nobody

    else was ordering that day. I received my coins the second week of April.
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    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    The way I see it the Mint is doing a favor to the Market, intentionally or not they are controlling the flow of
    product into the aftermarket. If they continue on with this practice maybe the day will come where only
    "Approved Buyers" will handle all US Mint product.

    Is the Mint becoming another DeBeers? Controling the supply can only help the market get better returns.

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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just dont like all the jumping around looks like they dont know what they are doing, How many years have they been doing this? image I just had a order go in to res for 10 coins yesterday only to wake up to see them 9 res 1 back order new ship date may-23 i'll get them when i get them just get it done. If i did work like this i would be out of a job........... image


    Hoard the keys.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>................................... As stated above the Mint is a business

    that has taken millions of dollars of orders, which it has not shipped, without any explanation to its customers as

    to why they have not been shipped. ............................. >>

    Not entirely true since the US Mint Fulfillment Center does not charge credit cards until the items are being prepared to ship.

    They may have received millions of dollars in orders but they have not been "paid" for millions of dollars in orders.


    Louis Golina certainly has a legitimate concern regarding the Mint Bags though in that, if I ordered HOF coins and got charged $4.95 for the shipping "of the bag" and then decided to "CANCEL" my HOF order, would the US Mint/Novitex refund me the shipping charges? If so do I have to return the bag?

    Certainly not a Gold Star on the US Mints reputation and I'm fairly confident that this will be addressed at some point in the future. At least I hope it is as I'm thinking that Novitex is going to get an earful from the US Mint Management for the mishandling of these "Mint Bags". While the intent was sincere, the execution has been a disaster.

    BTW, as some may know, it appears that PitneyBowes Management Services, a subsidiary of PitneyBowes, has been sold to a Company called Novitex.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> if I ordered HOF coins and got charged $4.95 for the shipping "of the bag" and then decided to "CANCEL" my HOF order, would the US Mint/Novitex refund me the shipping charges? If so do I have to return the bag? >>



    Yes refund of $4.95 would be issued and you do NOT have to return the bag.

    First hand experience.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Personally, I ordered some HOF coins knowing that at some point I'll be charged for them and at some point shortly thereafter I will receive them. As a collector, I really don't care if that day is tomorrow or September 1st. Hopefully I'm not in the minority in my thinking. >>



    +1
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Pitney Bowes Management Services (PBMS) has become Novitex Enterprise Solutions, a stand-alone company. >>



    Was PBGS part of PBMS?
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Pitney Bowes Management Services (PBMS) has become Novitex Enterprise Solutions, a stand-alone company. >>



    Was PBGS part of PBMS? >>



    YES now Novitex
    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Pitney Bowes Management Services (PBMS) has become Novitex Enterprise Solutions, a stand-alone company. >>



    Was PBGS part of PBMS? >>

    One and the same.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭
    happens every time some popular item is shipped from Mint .. the Mint won't listen and they won't changeimage
  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could have walked to West Point, made my own coins and walked back by now....image
  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I could have walked to West Point, made my own coins and walked back by now....image >>


    They won't let you in.image
    Paul
  • pcunixpcunix Posts: 620


    << <i>
    P.S. I read the mint directions for the waiting room and was in at 12:00 and completed my checkout at 12:01 as if nobody

    else was ordering that day. I received my coins the second week of April.
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    I read the directions too and logged in at 12:00. I could not order until 1:18 and still do not have the gold.

    The directions didn't mention that you could log in early.. image
  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>P.S. I read the mint directions for the waiting room and was in at 12:00 and completed my checkout at 12:01 as if nobody else was ordering that day. I received my coins the second week of April. >>



    Lucky you. I followed all of the directions, too. I've been ordering from the mint for years, so I didn't make any rookie mistakes. I had an initial 44 minute wait in the "Wait Room", then when my time came up, nothing happened. Not wanting to lose my place and start over, I kept waiting for the mint website to come back. It never did. Finally I gave up and started over. My order was completed at 4:00 PM. Needless to say, I'm still waiting for my coins...
  • jmcu12jmcu12 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭
    I had similar experiences to those here and I have received the halves and the dollars. The gold is still at the mint or in a dark warehouse somewhere.

    From a collector's standpoint I just want to know if I will receive them (the gold) at all? How do I know? Or will I know when I know and I just have to wait??
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,171 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I had similar experiences to those here and I have received the halves and the dollars. The gold is still at the mint or in a dark warehouse somewhere.

    From a collector's standpoint I just want to know if I will receive them (the gold) at all? How do I know? Or will I know when I know and I just have to wait?? >>




    Have to wait.

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  • spotthedogspotthedog Posts: 313 ✭✭✭
    I hope "production problems" means "error coins" for those of us receiving our orders in July and August.
  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree. I've seen my one silver proof go from June to May and now July. It looks as if they have no idea from day to day. Sounds like a very bad communication issue within the mint!!
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, my credit card shows a pending charge of $300+ so I thought maybe some of my BaseBall Halfs or Dollars might be shipping but it turns out it is my Perth Mint SteamBoat Willey Mickey Mouse Dollars image

    These will be a HOT Collectible also image

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    GrandAm :)
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, my credit card shows a pending charge of $300+ so I thought maybe some of my BaseBall Halfs or Dollars might be shipping but it turns out it is my Perth Mint SteamBoat Willey Mickey Mouse Dollars image

    These will be a HOT Collectible also image

    GrandAm image >>





    You want HOTT ?


    Just wait until the USMint releases their new Power Rangers Coins later this year.

    And when the TMNT get out. Cowabunga !
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Power Rangers and Teenage Mutant Nija Turttles will never compete at the same level with Mickey Mouse image

    MIC,,,,,,,KEY,,,,,,, MOUSE,,, Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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    GrandAm :)
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  • I am waiting for the new Homer Simpson Gold, Silver & Clad $ .. you will get a first strike bag if you order early but will have to wait 6 months for you order!
    Telsa is one of the greatest inventors
    of all time! Render to Caesar's what is
    Caesars and give to God what is God's.
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    of all time! Render to Caesar's what is
    Caesars and give to God what is God's.
  • FullStrikeFullStrike Posts: 4,353 ✭✭✭
    You look at all the silly trendy stuff the rest of the world has gotten into and you have to wonder how soon
    will the US Mint follow along? They've already done the curved plain jane Baseball thing. Nothing earthshattering
    at all , really.

    Is there money to be made in celebrating our cartoon legends? Bet on the US Mint joing in on the silly shapes and
    subjects really soon.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,171 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, it'll be Congress that leads the Mint to a Disney coin.

    I once pondered that the Mint may have considered a Lunar New Year but decided not to. I think even that would need some Congressional approval.


    The problems will need to get fixed sooner rather than later as these can only be released this year. image

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I placed my order just before the sell out was announced. I am on the "back order" until the middle of the summer at best. I could end up with nothing, because I think mint counts on some coins getting returned because they are "damaged." If these coins are not too bad the mint sends them out again to see if they will "stick." Either way those of us who were late to party won't get much. The order will either be canceled, or we will get sub par coins with marks, spots or other problems. I ordered a Douglas MacArthur Uncirculated $5 gold late just before the sales were ended. I got a coin with several marks on it that would lower the grade to MS-65 or 66 at best, which is a very low grade for a modern commemorative coin. I expect the same for the baseball piece I might get.

    To those think that the baseball half eagle and dollar are going to be "great coins" in the future, I'd say think again. The mintages are too high, and once the bloom comes off the rose, perhaps as soon as next year, these things will be selling for close to their issue price. We saw this thirty years ago with the Statue of Liberty $5 gold pieces. The coins once sold for close to triple the issue price. Now they sell for close to melt.
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