<< <i>I stand corrected. Condor 101 agrees with that 1984 date. Still, they preceded PCGS.
ANACS started up in January 1980......pre-dating PCGS and NPI they also offered individual ratings for luster, strike, and eye appeal as well as a grade for each side of the coin. >>
Actually ANACS started in 1975. They didn't start slabbing coins until 1989, IIRC.
Numismatist Ordinaire See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
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<< <i>I stand corrected. Condor 101 agrees with that 1984 date. Still, they preceded PCGS.
ANACS started up in January 1980......pre-dating PCGS and NPI they also offered individual ratings for luster, strike, and eye appeal as well as a grade for each side of the coin. >>
Actually ANACS started in 1975. They didn't start slabbing coins until 1989, IIRC. >>
My point was that ANACS pre-dated PCGS and NPI (a coin dealer)......and Mr. Stuppler when it came to identifying PQish coins. There's nothing that I posted that suggested ANACS was slabbing before PCGS. I recall quite clearly in 1988 when one of my local dealers got in a hoard of mint red 1854 large cents. By the time I got to him only half a dozen coins remained and he sent them out to ANACS to see what they would grade. Those were the "dreck" of the lot as a dealer had already skimmed off the best coins. They came back with ANACS papers ranging from MS64 RB (3) to MS65 RD (3). I bought them all and ended up with the same grades at NGC. ANACS was quite accurate at that time. And they were the first PQ designation grading service.
Oh, how I long for the pre-slab days when things were simpler.
It was indeed simpler. A collector would often go many years before finding out that they got ripped off on a purchase. My worst one was a 5 year gap. It was only by submitting the coin for grading in 1988 that I found out a gem proof std quarter was AT and worth a fraction of what I had paid. At least with slabs, acronyms, labels, stickers, pluses, stars, etc. you have a decent idea what the high and low range for any particular coin is going into it. And with 2 services you have some sort of grading guaranty.
It's finally come down to this....get your coins properly graded by one of the "Big Two" grading companies.
But wait! You can't "trust" that grade so you NEED a CAC sticker to justify that grade.
But wait again. A PCGS grade can't be trusted enough, even if your grade is a plus grade.
A PCGS grade with a CAC sticker can't be trusted enough either.
Now you need a PCGS grade, a CAC sticker and a PQ sticker to "prove" you have a solid and great coin.
Who will start the next sticker company and when will "enough be enough."
I think this is the beginning of the end of the sticker companies. Time to go back to buying coins the old fashioned way.........READ THE BOOKS BEFORE YOU BUY THE COINS, LEARN TO GRADE, BUY ONLY FROM REPUTABLE DEALERS AND FORGET ABOUT THE STICKERS!
(I know it's early in 2014 but this may be a candidate for post of the year.).
Let's get serious folks.....a great coin is a great coin. You don't need a + on the slab or as many stickers as sticker companies come to market.
A former ANA President who actually started cleaning up the mess that the ANA created after decades of issues. He led the Board that began ending the fiascoes of the previous 10-15 years.
I've read a few comments here questioning the importance of a CAC sticker, including the recent quote "I think this is the beginning of the end of the sticker companies". Do you really think CAC is heading is going down? I'll let the facts speak for themselves. In the series I am familiar with, lets take a 1924 Saint graded MS67 by PCGS.
This coin without a CAC sticker sells in the range of $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
This coin WITH a PQ approved sticker, but not a CAC sticker is worth the same $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
Now this coin WITH a CAC sticker sells in the range of $15,000-$20,000. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $20,000, they didn't necessarily get ripped off!
But wait again. A PCGS grade can't be trusted enough, even if your grade is a plus grade.
A PCGS grade with a CAC sticker can't be trusted enough either.
Now you need a PCGS grade, a CAC sticker and a PQ sticker to "prove" you have a solid and great coin.
Who will start the next sticker company and when will "enough be enough."
I think this is the beginning of the end of the sticker companies. Time to go back to buying coins the old fashioned way.........READ THE BOOKS BEFORE YOU BUY THE COINS, LEARN TO GRADE, BUY ONLY FROM REPUTABLE DEALERS AND FORGET ABOUT THE STICKERS!
(I know it's early in 2014 but this may be a candidate for post of the year.).
Let's get serious folks.....a great coin is a great coin. You don't need a + on the slab or as many stickers as sticker companies come to market. >>
Imo the market is fine up to the dotted line above. We don't need additional stickers after CAC to prove anything. If I like a coin it doesn't mean squat. And invariably, when I bought a "great" coin (imo) I got squat for it when it wouldn't get the paid for grade in a PCGS holder or failed to sticker. Unless you're one of the world's top 100 classic US coin graders and can command respect on your opinion alone....good luck trying to get "great coin" money from your isolated "great coin opinion." You can still have fun with your coins. Just don't expect to get "great coin" money for them upon resale.
Common date PCGS MS67 Saints w/o a CAC sticker are probably worth $7000-$8,000. NGC 67's have fallen into the $6,000's. I don't know if 1924 is considered a common date....or if only 1908 NM's is a common date. As a non-expert, you'd have to have been insane to pay $11,500 for a non-stickered common date MS67 Saint when they peaked in price several years ago around $9K to $11K and have been dropping ever since. FMV for a PCGS unstickered 67 is probably $7500. Though an obviously nicer coin than generic quality (but still unstickered) could fetch a bit more. I surely wouldn't pay anything near $10K for any unstickered MS67 1924 Saint unless it walked on water. JA is very fussy on these things. There are over 100 MS68 1908 NM Wells Fargo Saints out there.....not 1 has earned a sticker. Fwiw, Mr Stuppler's original MS66+ saint that started this argument was being offered for $500 less money than CAC MS66's were bringing. That tells me his PQ coins don't yet fetch CAC money. And in this case, the additionally beneficial plus sign still didn't get the coin to a CAC 66 price level.
For me, PCGS stickered coins are good enough.....as long as I like them too. Those are the 3 opinions that matter to me. That said, I'm leery of paying the CAC up front load and prefer to buy nice unstickered coins that could later be stickered. I also think that the 2009 coin market was getting very close to a raw coin market again (ie the coin had to be nice and the label mattered a lot less than ever before). CAC stickered coins have eliminated much of that indecision. The bigger issue lies with the >95% slabbed coins remaining. Those have to stand on their individual merits. Coins relying on their own merits....what a novel idea. You can add all the additional stickers from here that you want.....but by 2013 we had more than enough to get us by.
<< <i>Warren Mills has commented about this on his Rare Coins of New Hampshire website. >>
Thanks for that link Sonoranddesertrat. I hadn't visited RCNH's website in quite some time. Those news reports/articles are well worth reading. The story on that original Long Island is interesting as well.
We fawn over the monthly market reports of other dealers that really don't tell us a lot. Warren is brief and to the point. These should be linked every month as required reading. One thing I took away is that you don't always get the right grade the first time in. While I've often said it takes 2 to 3 submissions to verify the correct grade, at least this substantiated my own experiences over the past 10 years where I've felt grading methods have changed considerably from the late 1980's period. The FUN report had some other critical info that I took away that I really never considered before. Good stuff Warren. It is clear from reading their articles, they understand/accept the market reality of PCGS + CAC stickered coins.
I need to see some history with them before I update my site.
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<< <i>I've read a few comments here questioning the importance of a CAC sticker, including the recent quote "I think this is the beginning of the end of the sticker companies". Do you really think CAC is heading is going down? I'll let the facts speak for themselves. In the series I am familiar with, lets take a 1924 Saint graded MS67 by PCGS.
This coin without a CAC sticker sells in the range of $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
This coin WITH a PQ approved sticker, but not a CAC sticker is worth the same $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
Now this coin WITH a CAC sticker sells in the range of $15,000-$20,000. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $20,000, they didn't necessarily get ripped off! For a common coin like this I believe a nice MS63-65 will do just fine in filling the hole. They could spend the saving on a number of bullion gold coins or some more coins in the series. Big ticket coins are really risky. Paying 2.1 - 2.8 x CDN Bid just bc it has a green sticker is lunacy.
The numbers speak for themselves. >>
I disagree - the guy that paid 15-20K paid too much and in reality is the end user, CDN Bid is 7100; If you look at the PQ website there are certain kinds of coins they will not sticker even if CAC does. I like the PQ concept and believe it will do well.
So long as he is stickering some of his own coins and virtually exclusively retailing them, I am on the sidelines both as a user of the service and as someone who gives any premium value to the product in the marketplace. That is subject to change with additional experience and observation over time.
<< <i> I disagree - the guy that paid 15-20K paid too much and in reality is the end user, CDN Bid is 7100; If you look at the PQ website there are certain kinds of coins they will not sticker even if CAC does. I like the PQ concept and believe it will do well. >>
CDN bid of $7100 is for an average quality (ie lower end) 1908 no motto saint of which there are 861 graded by PCGS. You can't get a decent 1924 (pop 84) for anywhere near $7100 (PCGS price guide shows them at 57% higher price than the 1908 NM). A very nice MS67 1924 could easily be worth $15K+. For a real test of PQ approved MS65 and higher gold (unstickered)....send them to CAC and see how many of those sticker. This will be the real test. CAC's sticker rate for 1908 NM Wells Fargo saints in MS67 is insanely low (8 to date out of approx 800). And the WF coins make up approx 90% of all MS67 Saints and probably 97% of all MS68's. What it basically comes down to is that finding a solid quality MS67 of any date is very difficult. The price guide for type is really for ONLY the 1908 NM. And it's rather abundant population almost makes the MS67's worth 66+ money. A similar thing happened with the MS65-66 1857-S Type 1 $20 Libs (ie a single date represents the "type" coin price). Someone looking for a MS67 Saint for type isn't going to be satisfied with filling the hole with a MS63-MS65. However, they might be willing to settler for a killer, high end 66 at 1/2 to 1/3 the money of a legit 67.
It looks like we will have CAC and PQ looking at each other. While there aren't enough PQ stickers in the market place (and may never be) to expect them on very many CAC coins....I would fully expect most 4 figure PQ approved coin to end up with a CAC sticker. If not, I'd have to be wondering why? If I were a retail customer of PQ approved coins, I'd ensure that on the invoice it clearly states that said coin will meet CAC standards or be allowed for a full refund. That's simple buyer protection in the current market place.
<< <i>...does anyone know if there is a list of coins that they will sticker? I'll cut to the chase...do they sticker Kennedy halves?
Erik >>
I would assume they would sticker any series provided the coin meets their standard. >>
It would be a smart move IMO since CAC doesn't do moderns...I have a box of 20 1964 Kennedy's that I will love and cherish forever...however, some have "ugly toning," to the eyes of many. I would also suggest to them using another word other than "ugly," but who the heck am I
I have not heard much about PQ Approved on the forum, but I have been absent a lot over the last several months. Any updates? Post your PQ Approved coins here.
<< <i>I have not heard much about PQ Approved on the forum, but I have been absent a lot over the last several months. Any updates? Post your PQ Approved coins here. >>
@Zoins said:
Their website says they build award winning collections
<< We also specialize in assisting our clients build well-known and award winning collections. Whether you are a beginning coin investor or an experienced connoisseur we at Mint State Gold presented by Stuppler and Company are committed to offering the finest service possible. >>
I wonder how many #1 or Top 10 collections they've helped build?
Over the years, quite a few #1 sets...
PCGS #1 All-Time Finest Morgan Dollar Set
NGC #1 Saint Gaudens Date Set
PCGS #1 Walking Liberty Short Set
PCGS #1 Gold Ealge Fractional Denominations ($5, $10 & $20)
PCGS #1 Gold Buffalos Complete (actually we've built many of these but only 3 clients are registry participants)
Comments
<< <i>100! >>
Daaannng you're good at that!
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
<< <i>I stand corrected. Condor 101 agrees with that 1984 date. Still, they preceded PCGS.
ANACS started up in January 1980......pre-dating PCGS and NPI they also offered individual ratings for luster, strike, and eye appeal as well as a grade for each side of the coin. >>
Actually ANACS started in 1975. They didn't start slabbing coins until 1989, IIRC.
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
<< <i>
<< <i>I stand corrected. Condor 101 agrees with that 1984 date. Still, they preceded PCGS.
ANACS started up in January 1980......pre-dating PCGS and NPI they also offered individual ratings for luster, strike, and eye appeal as well as a grade for each side of the coin. >>
Actually ANACS started in 1975. They didn't start slabbing coins until 1989, IIRC. >>
My point was that ANACS pre-dated PCGS and NPI (a coin dealer)......and Mr. Stuppler when it came to identifying PQish coins. There's nothing that I posted that suggested ANACS was slabbing before PCGS. I recall quite clearly in 1988 when one of my local dealers got in a hoard of mint red 1854 large cents. By the time I got to him only half a dozen coins remained and he sent them out to ANACS to see what they would grade. Those were the "dreck" of the lot as a dealer had already skimmed off the best coins. They came back with ANACS papers ranging from MS64 RB (3) to MS65 RD (3). I bought them all and ended up with the same grades at NGC. ANACS was quite accurate at that time. And they were the first PQ designation grading service.
Oh, how I long for the pre-slab days when things were simpler.
It was indeed simpler. A collector would often go many years before finding out that they got ripped off on a purchase. My worst one was a 5 year gap. It was only by submitting the coin for grading in 1988 that I found out a gem proof std quarter was AT and worth a fraction of what I had paid. At least with slabs, acronyms, labels, stickers, pluses, stars, etc. you have a decent idea what the high and low range for any particular coin is going into it. And with 2 services you have some sort of grading guaranty.
<< <i>Oh, how I long for the pre-slab days when things were simpler. >>
Extremely simple now, just collect the coin.
My collection is made up of expensive and inexpensive raw coins and slabbed coins by PCGS, ANACS, and NGC.
I have ZERO stickers on any of my coins.
I buy only coins, sometimes they are entombed in plastic.
But wait! You can't "trust" that grade so you NEED a CAC sticker to justify that grade.
But wait again. A PCGS grade can't be trusted enough, even if your grade is a plus grade.
A PCGS grade with a CAC sticker can't be trusted enough either.
Now you need a PCGS grade, a CAC sticker and a PQ sticker to "prove" you have a solid and great coin.
Who will start the next sticker company and when will "enough be enough."
I think this is the beginning of the end of the sticker companies. Time to go back to buying coins the old fashioned way.........READ THE BOOKS BEFORE YOU BUY THE COINS, LEARN TO GRADE, BUY ONLY FROM REPUTABLE DEALERS AND FORGET ABOUT THE STICKERS!
(I know it's early in 2014 but this may be a candidate for post of the year.).
Let's get serious folks.....a great coin is a great coin. You don't need a + on the slab or as many stickers as sticker companies come to market.
<< <i>Barry Stuppler's website
Appears to be a heavy bullion dealer. >>
A former ANA President who actually started cleaning up the mess that the ANA created after decades of issues. He led the Board that began ending the fiascoes of the previous 10-15 years.
I don't think so as he doesn't seem to by and large handle those kind if coins ....
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
This coin without a CAC sticker sells in the range of $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
This coin WITH a PQ approved sticker, but not a CAC sticker is worth the same $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
Now this coin WITH a CAC sticker sells in the range of $15,000-$20,000. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $20,000, they didn't necessarily get ripped off!
The numbers speak for themselves.
<< <i>It's finally come down to this....get your coins properly graded by one of the "Big Two" grading companies.
But wait! You can't "trust" that grade so you NEED a CAC sticker to justify that grade.
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But wait again. A PCGS grade can't be trusted enough, even if your grade is a plus grade.
A PCGS grade with a CAC sticker can't be trusted enough either.
Now you need a PCGS grade, a CAC sticker and a PQ sticker to "prove" you have a solid and great coin.
Who will start the next sticker company and when will "enough be enough."
I think this is the beginning of the end of the sticker companies. Time to go back to buying coins the old fashioned way.........READ THE BOOKS BEFORE YOU BUY THE COINS, LEARN TO GRADE, BUY ONLY FROM REPUTABLE DEALERS AND FORGET ABOUT THE STICKERS!
(I know it's early in 2014 but this may be a candidate for post of the year.).
Let's get serious folks.....a great coin is a great coin. You don't need a + on the slab or as many stickers as sticker companies come to market. >>
Imo the market is fine up to the dotted line above. We don't need additional stickers after CAC to prove anything. If I like a coin it doesn't mean squat. And invariably, when I bought a "great" coin (imo) I got squat for it when
it wouldn't get the paid for grade in a PCGS holder or failed to sticker. Unless you're one of the world's top 100 classic US coin graders and can command respect on your opinion alone....good luck trying to get "great coin"
money from your isolated "great coin opinion." You can still have fun with your coins. Just don't expect to get "great coin" money for them upon resale.
For me, PCGS stickered coins are good enough.....as long as I like them too. Those are the 3 opinions that matter to me. That said, I'm leery of paying the CAC up front load and prefer to buy nice unstickered coins that could later be stickered. I also think that the 2009 coin market was getting very close to a raw coin market again (ie the coin had to be nice and the label mattered a lot less than ever before). CAC stickered coins have eliminated much of that indecision. The bigger issue lies with the >95% slabbed coins remaining. Those have to stand on their individual merits. Coins relying on their own merits....what a novel idea. You can add all the additional stickers from here that you want.....but by 2013 we had more than enough to get us by.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
<< <i>Warren Mills has commented about this on his Rare Coins of New Hampshire website. >>
Thanks for that link Sonoranddesertrat. I hadn't visited RCNH's website in quite some time. Those news reports/articles are well worth reading. The story on that original Long Island is interesting as well.
We fawn over the monthly market reports of other dealers that really don't tell us a lot. Warren is brief and to the point. These should be linked every month as required reading. One thing I took away
is that you don't always get the right grade the first time in. While I've often said it takes 2 to 3 submissions to verify the correct grade, at least this substantiated my own experiences over the past 10 years
where I've felt grading methods have changed considerably from the late 1980's period. The FUN report had some other critical info that I took away that I really never considered before. Good stuff Warren.
It is clear from reading their articles, they understand/accept the market reality of PCGS + CAC stickered coins.
<< <i>Warren Mills has commented about this on his Rare Coins of New Hampshire website. >>
linky
<< <i>
<< <i>Warren Mills has commented about this on his Rare Coins of New Hampshire website. >>
linky >>
Warren, he walks the road less traveled !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>I've read a few comments here questioning the importance of a CAC sticker, including the recent quote "I think this is the beginning of the end of the sticker companies". Do you really think CAC is heading is going down? I'll let the facts speak for themselves. In the series I am familiar with, lets take a 1924 Saint graded MS67 by PCGS.
This coin without a CAC sticker sells in the range of $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
This coin WITH a PQ approved sticker, but not a CAC sticker is worth the same $10,000-$11,500. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $11,500, they got ripped off!
Now this coin WITH a CAC sticker sells in the range of $15,000-$20,000. If someone bought one of these within the past year and paid more than $20,000, they didn't necessarily get ripped off! For a common coin like this I believe a nice MS63-65 will do just fine in filling the hole. They could spend the saving on a number of bullion gold coins or some more coins in the series. Big ticket coins are really risky. Paying 2.1 - 2.8 x CDN Bid just bc it has a green sticker is lunacy.
The numbers speak for themselves. >>
I disagree - the guy that paid 15-20K paid too much and in reality is the end user, CDN Bid is 7100; If you look at the PQ website there are certain kinds of coins they will not sticker even if CAC does. I like the PQ concept and believe it will do well.
<< <i> I disagree - the guy that paid 15-20K paid too much and in reality is the end user, CDN Bid is 7100; If you look at the PQ website there are certain kinds of coins they will not sticker even if CAC does. I like the PQ concept and believe it will do well. >>
CDN bid of $7100 is for an average quality (ie lower end) 1908 no motto saint of which there are 861 graded by PCGS. You can't get a decent 1924 (pop 84) for anywhere near $7100 (PCGS price guide shows them at 57% higher price than the 1908 NM). A very nice MS67 1924 could easily be worth $15K+. For a real test of PQ approved MS65 and higher gold (unstickered)....send them to CAC and see how many of those sticker. This will be the real test. CAC's sticker rate for 1908 NM Wells Fargo saints in MS67 is insanely low (8 to date out of approx 800). And the WF coins make up approx 90% of all MS67 Saints and probably 97% of all MS68's. What it basically comes down to is that finding a solid quality MS67 of any date is very difficult. The price guide for type is really for ONLY the 1908 NM. And it's rather abundant population almost makes the MS67's worth 66+ money. A similar thing happened with the MS65-66 1857-S Type 1 $20 Libs (ie a single date represents the "type" coin price). Someone looking for a MS67 Saint for type isn't going to be satisfied with filling the hole with a MS63-MS65. However, they might be willing to settler for a killer, high end 66 at 1/2 to 1/3 the money of a legit 67.
1/2 Cents
U.S. Revenue Stamps
<< <i>Who stickers the stickerers?... >>
It looks like we will have CAC and PQ looking at each other. While there aren't enough PQ stickers in the market place (and may never be) to expect them on very many CAC coins....I would fully expect most 4 figure PQ approved coin to end up with a CAC sticker. If not, I'd have to be wondering why? If I were a retail customer of PQ approved coins, I'd ensure that on the invoice it clearly states that said coin will meet CAC standards or be allowed for a full refund. That's simple buyer protection in the current market place.
Erik
<< <i>...does anyone know if there is a list of coins that they will sticker? I'll cut to the chase...do they sticker Kennedy halves?
Erik >>
I would assume they would sticker any series provided the coin meets their standard.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
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<< <i>
<< <i>...does anyone know if there is a list of coins that they will sticker? I'll cut to the chase...do they sticker Kennedy halves?
Erik >>
I would assume they would sticker any series provided the coin meets their standard. >>
It would be a smart move IMO since CAC doesn't do moderns...I have a box of 20 1964 Kennedy's that I will love and cherish forever...however, some have "ugly toning," to the eyes of many. I would also suggest to them using another word other than "ugly," but who the heck am I
Erik
<< <i>I have not heard much about PQ Approved on the forum, but I have been absent a lot over the last several months. Any updates? Post your PQ Approved coins here.
No change... No one cares yet about PQ.
Latin American Collection
Over the years, quite a few #1 sets...
PCGS #1 All-Time Finest Morgan Dollar Set
NGC #1 Saint Gaudens Date Set
PCGS #1 Walking Liberty Short Set
PCGS #1 Gold Ealge Fractional Denominations ($5, $10 & $20)
PCGS #1 Gold Buffalos Complete (actually we've built many of these but only 3 clients are registry participants)
and if you go all the way to Top 10... dozens
-Chris
No doubt Longacre is a fan.
https://www.pqapproved.com/submission-services/
Old thread resurrection to spam us!
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Just thinking the same thing. What the heck? 7 years ago. Please don’t screw with the weekend
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Seven year old spam still tastes like spam.
I'll add a "Non-Euclidean Slab" sticker.
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