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1940-S RPM#1 Jefferson Observation

BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭✭
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Ok, it's been a while since I posted on this 1941-S RPM#1 variety. I have seen numerous examples and they all had the large cud on the right side top of Monticello. I'm just letting folks know I'm making an observation correction!

NEW FINDING! Now I'm puzzled! I have added a third picture of a 1940-S that is NOT an RPM#1, but possesses a similarly located die chip. Are these the same die or different with a coincidental die chip?

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    bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Second pic BigDowgie??
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    BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Pic fix!
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i don't see any cud. i see a nice rpm tho.

    if the images were a bit worse, i'd almost wonder if it were extreme die fatigue or doubling instead of an rpm.

    it is neat that you found a pre-chip state. image
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The die state without the chip must be very scarce, as every example I've seen in 20 years has had some stage of that die chip present. I once cherrypicked that variety from five feet away without a loupe because of the chip.


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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These used to be called "Alligator on the Roof".

    It's an interesting-shaped die chip, but it's not
    a Cud (a true Cud involves the edge of the die
    breaking off, not a chip in the field of the die).

    There's other dates with the Alligator chip; some
    are on the left side of Monticello vrs. the right side.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice catch... interesting diagnostic..... Cheers, RickO
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    BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Fred, thanks for the lesson. I've not (as I have never asked) heard this type of die issue called as a "die chip". I've always called them cuds. There is a fair amount of metal being wasted in that die chip! I have a nice PCGS MS66FS sample with this large die chip.

    Thanks again
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way to go Big Dawg......hope to see ya at FUN!image
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    BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Interesting new 1940-S find that has me saying, hummmmm? Pictures added to original post.

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