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BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
Love these coins. Does anyone know why they were only made for 2 years?

Please post yours, love to see them.

Here's my one and only.
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  • TookybanditTookybandit Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful! image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have the two type coins ..

    This half dime is graded MS-66, and is an absolutely wonderful original surface piece.

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    It knocked out this one which used to be in my collection.

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    And here is my dime, which is only an AU. I've not been able to upgrade this, although I've stopped on the upgrades for a while. This is a tough, very underrated type coin in the higher grades IMO.

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    I think that the stars were added out of sense of tradition. In all cases with the early silver coinage there had been stars for either the number of states in the early days and then the original 13 later. When these coins appeared without the stars, based upon the original Gobrecht design, the mint officials decided to bring them back.
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  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As far as early Seated type H10C and 10C coins go, I prefer the no stars pieces. Mine are in a Dansco 7070 album. What Bill Jones said about the difficulty in finding nice no stars dimes is in accord with my experience. I recently bought a nice PCGS AU50 1838-O no stars dime for the album (to replace the AU50 1837 piece), and am looking for an 1838-O no stars half dime to replace my 1837 coin.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They were only made for two years because they were so elegantly simple that they were beautiful and the US Mint had already embarked on their plan to frustrate future collectors by dinking with great designs.image
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They were only made for two years because they were so elegantly simple that they were beautiful and the US Mint had already embarked on their plan to frustrate future collectors by dinking with great designs.image >>



    And they doubled down on the dinking when they hired Robert Ball Hughes to re-do Gobrecht's original die worth. The resuts were not an improvement.

    Gobrecht designed dime

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    The Hughes "improved" design.

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    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You don't like 'big' women on your coins?
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He liked his women portly I see.....image Cheers, RickO
  • PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    I have always loved the no stars dime and half dime. On my original first business cards I put an overlay of a half dime I had owned for a few years. Simplicity can be an elegant and beautiful thing to behold!

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Portly" was considered attractive in the 19th century. It was thought to be a sign of good health, and a better build for child bearing. It also did not hurt if the help with physical labors required of women at that time.

    Just look at John Reich's "fat mistress" design that appeared on all of his designs. If such women were not not viewed as attractive, he would have depicted thinner Ms. liberties.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • 410a410a Posts: 1,325
    Simplicity of design and beauty captured on a small coin. Breen had strong words on this design change to stars.........something like "ruined" there after etc. This coin is one of my personal all time favorites especially the 1938-O. You have great taste in coins.
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coins. image


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  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really need to take some better images of this coin.
    One of my favorite designs.

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"Portly" was considered attractive in the 19th century. It was thought to be a sign of good health, and a better build for child bearing. It also did not hurt if the help with physical labors required of women at that time.

    Just look at John Reich's "fat mistress" design that appeared on all of his designs. If such women were not not viewed as attractive, he would have depicted thinner Ms. liberties. >>




    That's exactly what I was going to write before you beat me to it.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice coin
  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for all the comments and photos.

    Bill, that MS66 half dime is awesome !!
  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"Portly" was considered attractive in the 19th century. It was thought to be a sign of good health, and a better build for child bearing. It also did not hurt if the help with physical labors required of women at that time.

    Just look at John Reich's "fat mistress" design that appeared on all of his designs. If such women were not not viewed as attractive, he would have depicted thinner Ms. liberties. >>



    Also it was a sign of being financially well off
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i have always liked the "no stars" better. they have no stars on thars.

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  • LoveMyLibertyLoveMyLiberty Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭
    Here are my examples

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    about the question of how these "no stars" pieces came about, there
    is a nice write up by R.W. Julian at this site:

    Look Here

    If you google "No Stars Dimes" there are a number of sites that
    discuss it, but they all seem to copy each other.
    My Type Set

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭
    I always loved this design because it was essentially the Gobrecht Dollar design shrunken to the size of a dime or half dime...especially because I probably won't be able to afford a Gobrecht Dollar in my lifetime.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,908 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I really need to take some better images of this coin.
    One of my favorite designs.

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    Excusing the mask, the circa cam look on this one looks like a Greek marble sculpture


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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,908 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Portly, or not. Eh. Is it proportional? The head is not on the redesign.

    The white space use on the reverse is poor in a crowded way.

    There are other things like the awkwardly upright shield, but I do like the revised date size
    (or if that is my eyes playing tricks, I like the effect of the trick)

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