1835 Half Dollar. Grade? (UPDATED - PCGS SLAB POSTED)

Wabbit2313 · October 19, 2013 3:08AM

I sent it in to PCGS. How did it do?? New slab posted below.

Old Anacs small holder. Maybe on her way to PCGS.

roadrunner · October 19, 2013 3:15AM

Technically AU58 to me but with essentially full field luster. A conundrum.

Striking issues all over this coin. But still looks to have some scattered rub and circulation/handling field chatter.
Regardless, the overall look and blast probably makes it worth MS61 money. Rim has quite a few small bumps and imperfections.
Not much difference between all there, honest AU58's and less than honest 61's and 62's.

Icollecteverything · October 19, 2013 3:20AM

Well, this shows how tough it is to do from a picture, although the pics are very good. I have no idea if the color is natural but it looks nice. Others will have a better idea than me. I see some light scratches like at 12:00 on the reverse that may not be on the coin? I see other little nicks and scratches here and there. What's going on in the lower part of the shield?

I will take the easy route and say it's somewhere between 58 and 64. copout!

Type2 · October 19, 2013 3:28AM

I was going with 58 as well, A Very nice looking coin

or MS62

Coins299 · October 19, 2013 3:29AM

I'll give it a 55 because of the strike. It seems very mushy, and weak. The denticles/rims explain a lot.

If the strike was better, it could possibly hit 58-60. But 55 max, at least for PCGS, IMO.

agentjim007 · October 19, 2013 3:34AM

Worth a heck of a lot more than the technical grade.

roadrunner · October 19, 2013 3:42AM

I see luster on the rims and very sharp shield lines, arrow feathers, and eagle talons. No real rub on the cheek either even if the luster is a bit grazed up. They would probably net this to AU58 due to strike/chatter but it is probably unc. There is a lot of chatter and scuffing on the coin that the toning conceals to some extent. A cleaner appearing rim would probably be needed for an Unc grade. Agree with AgentJim007 too.

If this came out of a gold foil hologram 1990ish ANACS holder you can bet the coin is under-graded by today's standards. This coin probably was an AU55/58 back in 1990. I'd have probably left the coin in such an old older as a buyer who knew what it was would have paid up for it. If PCGS doesn't grade it due to QT then you're worse off than when you started. I've always had good luck selling these old ANAC's gold foil holders for the next grade up. ANACS was pretty good about spotting AT coins back then. And there also weren't as many toning docs in operation as there were in the 1998-2008 years when the market went ballistic. No comment on how Anacs has been since.

BustHalfBrian · October 19, 2013 3:43AM

I have a feeling PCGS will call it AT, but for your sake I hope I'm wrong. It's still a beautiful coin

Wabbit2313 · October 19, 2013 3:56AM

The nice thing about this coin is that it is the bright colorful toning. Did you ever see those coins that an image shows them vibrant, but in hand the coin looks almost black? Not this baby. And if PCGS say AT, about a coin slabbed 25-30 years ago by Anacs, she will stay put where she is, if I even send it in.

rodorr · October 19, 2013 4:14AM

AU-58

rodorr

AnkurJ · October 19, 2013 4:21AM

AU55 but may come back AT.

Shortgapbob · October 19, 2013 4:52AM

I think that this one is AT.

lkeigwin · October 19, 2013 4:54AM

I favor cracking over crossing, generally. But here is an example of one I would not crack. The color makes it too risky.

The strike is weak and there are numerous scattered digs and hits on both sides, along with unfortunate rims. I'd be surprised if it graded higher than 55. Fingers crossed on the color.
Lance.

TPRC · October 19, 2013 10:50PM

<< I think that this one is AT. >>

I would not crack this one out. Send in for crossover and good luck with that.

291fifth · October 19, 2013 10:54PM

Probably dipped and retoned. The colors look very thin and very recent.

The weak strike is a major negative.

I think a "Genuine" holder is in its future.

JRocco · October 19, 2013 10:56PM

I agree with the above 5 posts.

CoinZip · October 19, 2013 11:08PM

Looks like an AU O-105 to me.

golden · October 20, 2013 12:39AM

<< AU55 but may come back AT. >>

Wabbit2313 · October 20, 2013 1:18AM

<< Probably dipped and retoned. The colors look very thin and very recent.

The weak strike is a major negative.

I think a "Genuine" holder is in its future. >>

It looks very nice in it's current holder also. Undecided if I will send it. Thanks for the comments!

ricko · October 20, 2013 1:23AM

Very questionable on the tarnish....likely assisted or, possibly, dipped and not properly rinsed....Cheers, RickO

Zoins · October 20, 2013 3:32AM

<< I favor cracking over crossing, generally. But here is an example of one I would not crack. The color makes it too risky.

The strike is weak and there are numerous scattered digs and hits on both sides, along with unfortunate rims. I'd be surprised if it graded higher than 55. Fingers crossed on the color.
Lance. >>

I'd avoid cracking on this one.

Wabbit2313 · February 4, 2014 8:31AM

Well it went into and came back from PCGS. How do you think it turned out?

Cheers!

zas107 · February 4, 2014 8:41AM

Questionable color. 91

CoinJunkie · February 4, 2014 9:02AM

<< Well it went into and came back from PCGS. How do you think it turned out? >>

Well assuming you didn't crack it or specify cross unconditionally, I'll guess it's still in that ANACS holder.

LindeDad · February 4, 2014 9:23AM

<< 

<< Well it went into and came back from PCGS. How do you think it turned out? >>

Well assuming you didn't crack it or specify cross unconditionally, I'll guess it's still in that ANACS holder. >>

and now has a little piece paper with code 91 for the trip.

jayPem · February 4, 2014 10:36AM

I'm going to be an optimist here and say that pcgs graded it 62 on a crossover. Don't think Wabbit cracked it (at least I hope not )...
There is every chance that the color on this coin is legit, and if it looks significantly better in hand,
then I see it upgrading from the Old Anacs holder .

tradedollarnut · February 4, 2014 10:42AM

AU64

MsMorrisine · February 4, 2014 10:50AM

AU58+.G !

Cougar1978 · February 4, 2014 10:51AM

Considering its a $1000 coin in AU58, a $350 coin in AU50, and a $175 coin in XF40 (CW) there is no way I would let someone crack it from that holder and downgrade it as its very solid for the grade and worth all the money. Its a really nice coin and PQ for the grade. As a matter of fact I would add at least 10% to the asking price just for the attractive toning and offer it at $1100 and describe it as "a highly lustrous superb CH AU with traces of exquisite light gold." Its a stand out coin for any dealers case at a show.

Years ago a dealer who specialized in world gold (deciding to have a new look) had probably 100 Double Eagles in his case at a coin show all graded by ANACS (I mean one hec of an impressive display) and they were selling like wildfire. I remember buying a couple of MS63 20 Libs at $700 each in those same type of ANACS holders - an 1895, 1900, and 1903. By year end I had retailed them all. The 1895 brought $1200 at a gun show in the Houston area a couple of months later.

BustHalfBrian · February 4, 2014 11:33AM

My guess is that PCGS did not cross it, at any grade.

CoinJunkie · February 4, 2014 12:14PM

<< My guess is that PCGS did not cross it, at any grade. >>

Actually, the more I think about it, the OP probably wouldn't resurrect the thread if it didn't get
into a graded holder at PCGS. Call it a hunch...

Wabbit2313 · February 4, 2014 12:19PM

Here is my terrible image of the new holder. I like it at MS62, but maybe a regrade is in her future. Thanks for the guesses and comments!

lkeigwin · February 4, 2014 12:22PM

WTG, Wabbit! Very happy to see that.
Lance.

zas107 · February 4, 2014 12:27PM

Glad I was wrong!

BustHalfBrian · February 4, 2014 12:28PM

Congrats, Wabbit! If I had sent it in, it never would have crossed...

Elcontador · February 4, 2014 12:38PM

Do not like the color of the coin from the image. I could go on, but I won't.

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Wabbit2313 · February 4, 2014 12:54PM

<< Congrats on the cross. Try beaning it and getting JA's opinion prior to reconsideration? >>

If he gives it a gold, does that mean he thinks its MS or AU-59?

astrorat · February 4, 2014 12:59PM

Congrats ... but I am surprised. The coin looks AT ... not that it looks bad, it just doesn't look natural from the images.

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sparky64 · February 4, 2014 1:04PM

Congratulations.

MsMorrisine · February 4, 2014 2:51PM

<< 

<< Congrats on the cross. Try beaning it and getting JA's opinion prior to reconsideration? >>

If he gives it a gold, does that mean he thinks its MS or AU-59? >>

they didn't "+" it, I wonder if it is due to the field chatter. Will it bean or be held back due to the field chatter ??? Or am I totally missing the plot?

lava · February 4, 2014 5:25PM

Congrats on the cross, but I don't share your enthusiasm about a 62 in the future.

maibockaddict · February 4, 2014 11:33PM

It all looks proper to me....AU58 to AU58....

Good snag as PCGS '58's are skyrocketing in value

Wabbit2313 · February 5, 2014 12:16AM

<< Congrats ... but I am surprised. The coin looks AT ... not that it looks bad, it just doesn't look natural from the images. >>

It made the grade at 2 services now. One 25 years ago, and PCGS last month. That's good enough for me!

1835 Half Dollar. Grade? (UPDATED - PCGS SLAB POSTED)

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