Question to you guys on "detail" graded coins....and the POP report.

DIMEMAN · October 14, 2013 10:09AM

I don't know how to do a poll.....but here are my feelings:

There are a lot of detail coins now. I have a lot of varieties that are detail graded because of QC...

Anyway I think they should be included in the Pops. It's misleading when you go to check on a certain variety and none show, but there could be some.

Bottom line to me they are coins in holders and in Registry Sets......and SHOULD be in the Pops.

What say ye.

keyman64 · October 14, 2013 11:15AM

I agree. It would not be hard to add an N1 column to the Pop Reports. I would also be helpful in truly understanding rarity for some of the tough to find varieties. The Curl Base 2 comes to mind, there are not a lot of problem free examples but there are more than just the problem free examples. Just a little access to some simple data points would be helpful I believe. My 10 cents.

mozin · October 14, 2013 1:19PM

Details coins do not belong in the PCGS Registry. I wish they would drop them from the Registry as raw coins. JMHO

DeepCoin · October 14, 2013 1:26PM

I strongly disagree about detail coins and the Registry. Many cannot afford the big dollar coins in any manner other than in the damaged, cleaned..etc. category. Not everyone has deep pockets, yet why should they be kept from having their collection recognized by PCGS? There is a ton of coins that have been messed with in one fashion or another over the last couple of hundred years, so why should we not recognize this fact?

The more we can welcome collectors, the more we will be able to grow the hobby. Detail coins are no threat to anyone and allow for many varieties and other similar coins to be collected and displayed to fellow collectors.

My question would be, if you had a Det-6 Chain Cent, and you could not afford it otherwise, why not recognize it?

I also concur with adding them in a special category in the population reports. I only see positive things and no negative ones from this.

DIMEMAN · October 14, 2013 1:29PM

I'm shocked.....you (mozin) of all people should know that some varieties are impossible to find problem free.

Besides some detail coins like QC should be graded, but the graders just blew it!!!

LanceNewmanOCC · October 14, 2013 1:48PM

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this has been extensively discussed/debated/analyzed etc and after it all, my take on it is that too many detail coins get cracked out for the pops to be of any use, even worse than they are now.

i would love it to be useful and a reality but alas, it cannot be.

MAYBE if every coin were to be imaged and if a coin appeared more than once, subsequent subs for it would be deleted but it seems they are only doing it partly as it is.

i don't know if it is a salary thing or is it just that hard to find someone intelligent, experienced, available, trustworthy, focused etc to do the job.

it is doable...

lets say 1 billion images (1,000,000,000) with a max file size of 750k which could be reduced to below 500k if needed with a resolution of say 900x900 or 1200x1200. that would give some estimates as to the storage requirements and if it weren't made public, there would be little to no bandwidth requirements, only integration into the current databases. can't imagine any one category would be over say, 10k or 20k images which could be auto-searched with smart technology to prevent duplicates and very basic info assigned to that image file like a cert number/date etc, maybe a note or 2.

seems simple enough, just very time consuming (expensive salary?)
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DIMEMAN · October 14, 2013 2:53PM

While we are on the subject of Details coins and the Registry.......I think the point system is all wrong on them. You get 3 points no matter what the detail grade. So the 2 unc detail Seated Dimes I got back earlier this year got AG points because the graders didn't like the beautiful toning.

CoinJunkie · October 14, 2013 3:31PM

I like to think of the Registry as a showcase as opposed to a contest for bragging rights. There's so much
more to collecting coins than amassing the most "points".

Given that backdrop, I favor including genuine coins in the Registry. I guess I also favor having them in the
population report, although it would seem to consume a lot of screen real estate, so that is less clear cut.
Maybe they could be on a separate tab.

Just my $.02.

Tiny · October 14, 2013 4:03PM

The TPGs used to body bag coins but seems like now they are putting them in holders with
THEIR opinion of the coin. Ya can't put a bay in a Reg set or pop list but a holdered coin with
what ever it's graded should be I think.

TwoSides2aCoin · October 14, 2013 4:25PM

Sure they should be counted. But that doesn't mean they should carry much weight in a registry set...except as "filler". But I don't collect that way, so the pops are not tops in my coin world and the gennies just make it fun because of the very reason you state. A few coins might only have "detail" grades, but they're ultimately NOT GRADEABLE under the warranty provisions, to my knowledge, and/ or accepted in certain collecting circles. There should though... be a "place" for them, if they're in the system already.

A simplistic view. Maybe it's more complex. I don't know.

BillJones · October 14, 2013 9:26PM

There are many flaws in the population reports that make them less useful. One of the flaws is that some very rare varieties are not counted or under counted because many of the existing examples cannot be graded because they are problem coins. I do not see why the big collectors are so upset by the presence of details grade coins in the registry. The coins get almost no registry set points and therefore pose no threat to the standing of the top sets. Yet the fact that these pieces are noted and perhaps pictured adds to our collective knowledge about these items.

illini420 · October 14, 2013 9:44PM

I just had a 1794 Half Dollar graded with XF details... I agree that it's a shame a rare coin like that isn't reflected in the pop reports somewhere.

DIMEMAN · October 14, 2013 11:17PM

Anyone who has looked at my "All Dimes All Varieties" can see that I am not a "point" person or top Pop, but a collector that wants a complete set with coins that I can afford filling the holes. It just doesn't seem right that a beautifully toned UNC should be treated as an AG coin. And I think all coins should show in the pop report....somewhere.

okiedude · October 15, 2013 12:22AM

<< <i> And I think all coins should show in the pop report....somewhere. >>

I agree, it's not like they don't exist. I own lots of "detail " coins, especially nicely retoned 92 coins. I just purchased a number of code 97 large cents from the Ellsworth die state collection auction. They arrived the other day, a couple look awesome and until I put them under my scope can I see any sign of porosity, a few have minor porosity but are still very sharp, I wouldn't throw them out of bed-LOL. They are R-2/3 coins that I could not afford or even find on a good day otherwise and they still exist in my collection. It would be nice to see them in the Pop report, just for analytical value. I don't play the registry game so that is not an issue for me.

ricko · October 15, 2013 12:40AM

I do not participate in the registry field, however, I do have an opinion on the population reports. The reports reflect a fictitious number that in no way represents reality. Many reasons including crackouts and details.... not to mention those never submitted but in collections of both high and low grade coins. The numbers are, IMO, so far off as to be virtually meaningless. Cheers, RickO

LindeDad · October 15, 2013 4:01AM

The POP reports are false info because of all the crack-out's so who really cares about faulty info?

BillJones · October 15, 2013 4:14AM

<< <i>The POP reports are false info because of all the crack-out's so who really cares about faulty info? >>

The one thing that POP reports can do for you is give you an idea as to whether or not something is possible in a given grade. For example if you are looking for a coin in MS-64, there are only three or four in the POP report, you may as well forget it, UNLESS, you spot one and you like it. Then it's time to POUNCE because you know that the opportunity might not come again.

shorecoll · October 15, 2013 4:40AM

This also ignores the issue of coins that should be detail graded, but aren't. So 1799 large cents are over-represented in the pops and R-7 busties may be under.

Question to you guys on "detail" graded coins....and the POP report.

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