Fake silver Prospector?

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  OnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 6, 2013 9:26AM

  Captain, it is a fake.
  
  Genuine American Prospector proofs do exist but surface infrequently.
  
  The excessively rare Canadian Prospector is also a proof. I have posted one here before.
  
  Edit: 1986 "Prospectors" where Mt. Everest replaces the prospector (eagle on reverse) are also genuine proofs.

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  UNLVino Posts: 416 ✭

  October 6, 2013 9:36AM

  Please educate how you know? I see a 100% positive - is it just that it's proof-like??

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  OnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 6, 2013 10:16AM

  
  
  << <i>Please educate how you know? I see a 100% positive - is it just that it's proof-like?? >>
  
  
  
  Fakes are invariably 1984 and feature the Big E reverse. When originally discovered the right thumb was missing while the globe was incomplete between the N and E of ONE on the reverse. The fakers follow what we post and fixed their dies. The thumb is now present and the globe is not as obviously incomplete where noted. Other details upon study are mushy or ill defined in and around the kneeling prospector.
  
  I have seen genuine proofs with the eagle reverse but they are few and far between. An infrequent poster here is more knowledgeable than myself and could certainly add more.
  
  My suggestion is to view all 1984 "prospectors" with the Big E reverse and proof-like surfaces as fakes. I do.
  
  

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  CaptHenway Posts: 34,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 6, 2013 11:07AM

  
  
  << <i>Did we decide that all proof-like silver Prospectors were fake?
  
  Take a look at this. Seller has up a fake Trade Dollar and a fake 1928-P Peace dollar.
  
  linky >>
  
  
  
  It went bye-bye........

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  rawteam1 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭

  October 6, 2013 11:18AM

  this has been gone over a couple time, but here is a pic from nate who owns coppercave.com,
  he did a pretty comprehensive study on fakes for the fine folks at bullionstacker.com,
  
  i have a couple 1982 proof prospectors, i threw a pic up here a long time ago but was ignored, lol, since of course back then they didnt exist neither, lol... got one from my good friend dolomite...
  

  keceph `anah

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  rawteam1 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭

  October 7, 2013 2:50AM

  
  
  << <i>
  
  << <i>Did we decide that all proof-like silver Prospectors were fake?
  
  Take a look at this. Seller has up a fake Trade Dollar and a fake 1928-P Peace dollar.
  
  linky >>
  
  
  
  It went bye-bye........ >>
  
  
  
  it did?, looks like its still listed...

  keceph `anah

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  OnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 7, 2013 3:05AM

  
  
  << <i>
  
  << <i>
  
  << <i>Did we decide that all proof-like silver Prospectors were fake?
  
  Take a look at this. Seller has up a fake Trade Dollar and a fake 1928-P Peace dollar.
  
  linky >>
  
  
  
  It went bye-bye........ >>
  
  
  
  it did?, looks like its still listed... >>
  
  
  
  
  It hardly matters. I have grown tired of reporting them to ebay.
  
  1984 fake prospectors are legion on ebay. Anytime you see multiple proof-like prospectors in one auction its time to run.

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  CaptHenway Posts: 34,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 7, 2013 3:08AM

  
  
  << <i>
  
  << <i>
  
  << <i>Did we decide that all proof-like silver Prospectors were fake?
  
  Take a look at this. Seller has up a fake Trade Dollar and a fake 1928-P Peace dollar.
  
  linky >>
  
  
  
  It went bye-bye........ >>
  
  
  
  it did?, looks like its still listed... >>
  
  
  
  When I click on that linky I get a Morgan dollar round.

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  dolomite Posts: 92 ✭

  October 7, 2013 3:12AM

  Nice visual dissertation, raw!
  
  I'll chime in to echo OGIM and raw in that genuine proof-like Prospectors do exist and are quite rare.
  
  I believe that Silver Baron would confirm that the rounds in his amazing Engelhard paperweight all appear to be proof-like examples as well.
  
  

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  Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 7, 2013 4:55AM

  Thanks for the info. and heads-up !!!

  Timbuk3

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  Weiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 7, 2013 8:23AM

  I'm not saying it's a fake prospector, but it's a fake prospector.
  
  They'll run you $2 and change from China...

  We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
  --Severian the Lame
  

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  rawteam1 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭

  October 7, 2013 8:57AM

  looks like they kicked it up a notch...
  added thumb, looks like reverse intact but cant really tell with pic...
  
  alot harder to detect than previous ones...

  keceph `anah

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  dolomite Posts: 92 ✭

  October 7, 2013 12:16PM

  Outer ring of dots still too far from reeded edge and the riverbed below the miner is still inaccurate. Looks like he's panning in a pool of worms

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  OnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 9, 2013 2:22PM

  Yesterday I contacted an unsuspecting ebay buyer who bought one of these fakes last week. He sought and received a refund.
  
  Here is another seller offering one of these 1984 fakes. I have reported it to the seller but he is sticking to his cover story. If others here report the auction as a counterfeit ebay may pull it.
  
  Fake 1984 Prospector

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  ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 9, 2013 11:30PM

  Good information... thanks rawteam1.... Cheers, RickO

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  Icollecteverything Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭

  October 9, 2013 11:43PM

  Nice comparison pics rawteam1, and dolimite's comment on the outer ring of dots looks like a good tell too.
  
  I didn't even know you had to watch out for these, is nothing safe anymore?

  Successful BST deals with mustangt and jesbroken. Now EVERYTHING is for sale.

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  OnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 10, 2013 1:32AM

  Ebay seller t6albert.123 dared me to report his fake 1984 "Engelhard Prospector".
  
  I did and it went poof.

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  Weiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 10, 2013 1:40AM

  Heh. I reported it earlier today, too

  We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
  --Severian the Lame
  

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  rawteam1 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭

  October 10, 2013 2:44AM

  lol, the original auction in OP, guy told me to call apmex cause thats where he bought a whole bunch of them,
  and they were real... (as a $3 dolla obama bill), i think if he would have spelled engelhard correctly, that may have helped...lol
  
  his dissertation...
  
  "Yeah, well you better tell APMEX one of ebay premier gold and silver dealers. That is where I brought 10 of them 2 months ago when prices where down! Moreover, I brought them right of ebay!!!! Check there out then get back with me!!"...

  keceph `anah

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  dolomite Posts: 92 ✭

  October 10, 2013 6:25AM

  I'm loving it...

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  rawteam1 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭

  October 12, 2013 7:45AM

  wow new rare engelhard find on ebay....eyeroll...
  
  huckster
  
  edit to add,
  simply amazing convo...
  
  
  wheres the engelhard mark on the round?
  
  There is no mark, but it's known Engelhard had struck these Silver Rounds as Silver trade units as noted in in listing. They struck many different silver bars and rounds for different companies.
  
  sorry but that is simply untrue & misleading, engelhard has a mark on all silver & gold standard was an e mark also...
  
  
  I have talked to them and not many people made bars starting in 1973 after Nixon lifted the ban on owning gold and silver bullion.

  keceph `anah

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