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1855 $1 Gold...Proof, Prooflike, or Fake?

s4nys4ny Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭
Nice looking raw 1855 $1 Gold coin on eBay. Could it possibly be a proof
worth over $100,000?

Or, is it just a nice BU prooflike?

Or, just a fake?

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks proof-like which is not uncommon on type 2 and type 3 gold dollars.

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    Not sure but your chances of getting it cheap just got smaller
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    << <i>Not sure but your chances of getting it cheap just got smaller >>



    Don't worry about floating ideas by members here. As long as you do that, you are much less likely to get scammed. I think that is a harshly cleaned/whizzed coin.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Not sure but your chances of getting it cheap just got smaller >>



    Don't worry about floating ideas by members here. As long as you do that, you are much less likely to get scammed. I think that is a harshly cleaned/whizzed coin. >>



    Hard to tell from those pics. This is the type of coin that I wouldn't buy raw especially on eBay.



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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake?? Read what Akers says about the LL and 8 in the date and then look at that coin. image
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I looked at several at Heritage and I was just about to say yes they all have the weak 8 and LL then I looked at This one.



    http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1186&lotNo=8823#Photo

    The one on eBay however while one dollar and date are strong the rest of the reverse design is very flat-lacking details.
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    s4nys4ny Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭
    I looked at several other examples of the 1855 Gold Dollar and also noted
    the weak 8. The LL in DOLLAR on the reverse almost looks like someone
    tried to improve it!
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 36,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks too good to be true, and the photo was shot an angle. That often does not bode well.

    As for the comment about how Type 2 and 3 gold dollars often show up in proof-like, I have seen many Type 3 dollars in P-L, but not the Type 2 coins.
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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    The "No Returns" would certainly keep me away from this coin.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It looks too good to be true, and the photo was shot an angle. That often does not bode well.

    As for the comment about how Type 2 and 3 gold dollars often show up in proof-like, I have seen many Type 3 dollars in P-L, but not the Type 2 coins. >>



    Agree. Most of the P-L specimens are the type 3 especially the later years 1880 to 1889.

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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Didn't you guys notice where this seller is located? All the little gold pieces look like this one, after they spend time in the cold Alaska rivers. image

    My guess is this seller has his coin raw because he knows there are problems with it. Proof, or even prooflike, is a long long stretch.
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    BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you zoom in, the left side of the "1" exhibits some distinct doubling. I don't know if that is common or not. Looks real enough to Me though. IMO. Regards BruceS
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The "No Returns" would certainly keep me away from this coin. >>


    Agree. Buying raw US gold coins on eBay always carries considerable risk.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a circulated coin that has been whizzed and artificially frosted.
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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,645 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a circulated coin that has been whizzed and artificially frosted. >>



    This, notice the shinny area at the tip of the chin and at the far left portion of the neck. Notice also the hard line that seperates the shinny area from the frosty, that looks very wrong to me.
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    KoveKove Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a circulated coin that has been whizzed and artificially frosted. >>



    Just what I was thinking, whizzed or polished and then artificially frosted. The major design elements are frosted, but the letters are shiny and rounded. It also looks like some of the frost has bled into the fields on the reverse.
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    highwayman1highwayman1 Posts: 107 ✭✭✭
    Looks like a "California Proof" to me.

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    I saw one of these recently in a wizzed holder, don't remember where but I though it looked cool being a cameo proof like look.
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    Sorry for the blank post!

    I just wanted to add that there appears to be a die crack at the 8:00 position. Is that normal for this date?

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with CaptH.
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    stealerstealer Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭✭
    That coin without a doubt has been polished and frosted. I'm not sure about whizzed as I'm not seeing generous luster.
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    epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Whizzed. The E in America looks pretty much destroyed. MHO.

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    s4nys4ny Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭
    Sold for $385, pretty good price for the seller.
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm with CaptH. >>



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