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Kennedy Half Dollar Experts: How rare are 1970-D PCGS or NGC certified MS-65 or higher halves with b
apollo14
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I read that 1970-D Kennedy Halves that are PCGS or NGC certified at grades of MS-65 or higher (gem) with beautiful toning are extremely rare and desirable.
Would the majority of Kennedy half experts on this forum agree with that statement and, if so, would beautiful toning add a considerable premium to the coin's value?
How about if the obverse is blast white whereas the reverse is beautifully toned?
Thanks!
Would the majority of Kennedy half experts on this forum agree with that statement and, if so, would beautiful toning add a considerable premium to the coin's value?
How about if the obverse is blast white whereas the reverse is beautifully toned?
Thanks!
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People like pretty in almost any form it takes.
Thanks!
As always, just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin
Not worth a premium to me
Regards, Larry
I'd think if this coin goes for about $75. to $100. in PCGS plastic (MS65) I'd be a sight-seen buyer at $500.
peacockcoins
HH
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
<< <i>It would have considerable worth to me. I've been on the hunt for an attractively toned GEM 1970-D Kennedy for years now and have yet to stumble upon one.
I'd think if this coin goes for about $75. to $100. in PCGS plastic (MS65) I'd be a sight-seen buyer at $500. >>
It all just depends on what one considers attractive, I will pay huge prices for attractive toned coins but I get offered numerous coins that others consider attractive that I find down right hideous
"This date is extremely rare in attractively toned condition" and "Attractively toned coins? Good luck finding one!"
I then started looking at auction sales of better 1970-D halves (MS-65 and up) in venues such as Heritage, E-bay, ect. and think I found one beautifully-toned example out of hundreds, hence my question.
I guess the way to settle this is to say "OK, everyone, lets all post our beautifully-toned (at least one side) 1970-D Kennedy Halves in PCGS or NGC-65 plastic" and let the results speak for themselves (grin)!
peacockcoins
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Nice coin pat
(Heritage archives.)
peacockcoins
Michael
peacockcoins
<< <i>I have 20+ years experience with utilizing natural toning methods on 1970-d 50c. I have found that 1970-d 50c (and all other 40% silver coins) are tarnish-resistant as compared to 90% silver. Same is true for war 5c, due to relatively low silver content.
Michael >>
As a specialist in 40% Kennedy Halves I can say that I have seen my share of certified examples with beautiful toning ... just specifically NOT 1970-D examples.
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<< <i>I have 20+ years experience with utilizing natural toning methods on 1970-d 50c. I have found that 1970-d 50c (and all other 40% silver coins) are tarnish-resistant as compared to 90% silver. Same is true for war 5c, due to relatively low silver content.
Michael >>
As a specialist in 40% Kennedy Halves I can say that I have seen my share of certified examples with beautiful toning ... just specifically NOT 1970-D examples. >>
I agree and besides the nickel part might prove true save for the numerous toned nickels everyone has seen as they were a solid alloy. The logic does hold up on the 40% as they were really clad coins with good old fashion coin silver skins and copper cores with a little silver added to balance ratios. 90% skin should tone similar to solid 90%
though these are getting few and far between in the few mint sets surviving. Many of them
have unattractive mottled tarnish that usually cleans up in acetone.
I don't see a lot of nicely toned 40% but as Wondercoin says; this can change.
Emzee: As much as I respect your knowledge of moderns, I must disagree with you on your point about the 40% coins being essentially tone resistant. I own not one, but two, super toned 69-D Kennedy Half Dollars in MS67 (pop is just a scant 4/0 to this day) ... in fact some might say one or both coins are "monster toned" specimens. I will try to get them photographed later this year. BUT, having said all of the above, I believe a blazing brilliant 69D or 70D half dollar in true MS67 would still fetch HUGE money ... possibly as much as (if not more than) a cool toned specimen might. In other words, I own a "monster blazer" 69'D I believe has a shot at the MS67 grade. Booming luster and marvelous clean surfaces ... and no toning to hide any blemishes or marks so common on these 40% coins. I asked myself the other day (and, yes, I need to stop talking to myself!) ... "if I slab the "monster blazer" in MS67, will I offer out either that coin or one of my two super cool toned MS67 specimens of the 69-D (as my collection would really not need (3) MS67's in it assuming I got lucky on the 3rd coin). Answer ... I would keep the "monster blazer" and let one of the (2) super toned 69'D specimens go. The "monster blazer" is just too darn rare in true MS67 grade to let go. In fact, I would personally value the "monster blazer" with true MS67 surfaces very close to (if not more than) the value of a super toned MS67 piece with the typical hidden marks these MS67 coins typically have as the great toning often boosts the grade by a half a point or more as great toning is "eye appeal" and eye appeal is part of the grade analysis.
Conclusion: Other than the strategy of trying to tone one of these 1965-1970 dated Kennedy Half Dollars to assist in hiding blemishes or marks for the possibility of slabbing an MS67 grade coin where the coin would never grade MS67 without the toning, this is currently an example of a coin series where "true blazers" still rule. The coins are simply so darn rare in true MS67 with blazing brilliant surfaces that if you slab one of them you can nearly "name your price" (with the one exception of the 68-D date).
And, just about everything I said applies to the "real world" unless your buyer is "Braddick" who might want that toned beauty over the blazing brilliant coin every day of the week
As always, just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin
It's the 1968-D (not the 1970-D.)
<< <i>With the utmost respect Cladking, I beg to differ on the most common 40% Kennedy Half in gem BU.
It's the 1968-D (not the 1970-D.) >>
I've seen Gem '67's in rolls but not the '68-D. I'd certainly agree that the average '68-D in
mint sets is better than the average '70-D and is in a narrower range. But in my estimation
the incidence of true Gem '68-D is probably lower. I'd put it at 2% of mintage and more of
these are damaged now by enviromental factors and the plasticizer in the sets. A much
higher percentage of the '70-D halfs have survived.
You may well be right when roll coins are factored in and even without them the '68-D does,
indeed, come nicer in the set (on average) than the '70-D. If collectors started assembling
sets of what I consider Gem I think the '68-D's would run out a little before the '70-D.
Roll coins are always a real wildcard. Almost all moderns were made as Gems for circulation
and some were actually saved. Where numbers from mint sets can be estimated it is far more
difficult to estimate numbers saved from rolls except where rolls are scarce. All the 40% rolls
made for circulation were saved in significant numbers though many have been melted in '79/
'80 and since 2008.
Are you referring primarily to '68-d's from sets?
PCGS SP66
Edit: I wanted to add, the coin was found in the plastic SMS holder and box, but the holder was cracked right above the toned spot.
I was referring to 68-D Halves found in mint sets. They can show up awfully nice in some sets.
I wish I could find 70-D Halves AS NICE.
<< <i>With the utmost respect Cladking, I beg to differ on the most common 40% Kennedy Half in gem BU.
It's the 1968-D (not the 1970-D.) >>
... I agree with the above!
<< <i>I do not believe that the 1970-D is typically found in Gem toned grades as Mitch asserted; further, he seems to indicate as much with his reply since he states that he could produce them in a few years by placing them in tone=prone holders-----thus, they don't currently exist. since 1970-D Kennedy Half-Dollars were only issued in Mint Sets they are usually brilliant and untoned and most of the Gems I've seen are just so. my question: why have no coin pictures been posted to this thread(aside from the AT appearing Heritage coin) if there are many of them to be found?? >>
My friend above has made an interesting point ...
Only one gem 1970-D beautifully-toned half (either one or two-sided) has been posted in this thread so far
Rather, as another poster said here, there is "tarnish" and then there is beautiful "Toning". Based on my experence, 40% halves can be found with ugly dark "tarnish", whereas they seem to be very uncommon with beautiful translucent colored "Toning" that does not interfere with the expected cartwheel luster of a gem coin but rather flows (or "shimmers") within it.
I think those are the quality of coins (and toning) I refer to, and which seem to be specifically lacking among 1970-D halves.
First we would all have to agree on what constitutes beautiful toning before a price could be derived...I don't know of any toned coin collectors who pay up for coins that aren't rainbow toned with the money colors of say red, blue green etc. Gold colored toning or orange toning usually commands little to no premium in the market place and I have heaps of experience selling toned coins to back that up.
2nd I think good points have been made to indicate that there could be a real incentive to artificially tone such a coin since they are not commonly found.
I think any toning on a 1970-D that doesn't have negative eye appeal is a plus for me and would add to a coins eye appeal but I am pretty sure that Braddick wouldn't pay $500 for a MS65 1970-D with golden toning unless I am seriously mistaken
<< <i>Not mine!!
(Heritage archives.) >>
Betcha wish it was!!
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>Not mine!!
(Heritage archives.) >>
Betcha wish it was!! >>
Tell you what, there was an NGC MS67 that sold a few years ago for cheap (what PCGS MS66's go for) that looked like it was all there.
I wonder where that coin is today?
Oh, and I'm in the Keets Kamp: I think the aforementioned Kennedy is a bit AT. . .
peacockcoins
<< <i>The 1970-D will always have a special place in my memories. I had a Kennedy half dollar album as a kid and could not afford one and that "only in mint sets" hole filler really bothered me. Tried like heck to find one that escaped "out into the wild", but no luck. Now I have 5 or 6 of them and have no desire to part with them. Just a beautiful coin, a key date and very affordable. >>
I cannot agree more!
I began collecting coins in 1969, and Kennedy halves were among my favorites! Like many others I had an album to fill, and accordingly took my newly-delivered 1970-D halves and promptly cut them out of their plastic mint wrappers and inserted them into my albums.
Lafayette Grading Set
Hoard the keys.
I hope you aren't holding your breath.
also, my apologies with my inference, Mitch.
And, although this has yet to be discussed, IMHO, hands down, the coolest 70-D Kennedy Half Dollars are neither gem toned nor gem clean white coins .... they are ...
GEM PL's !!!
I still get excited when I uncover one of these!!
Wondercoin
I would love to see some examples of your finest 1970-D Kennedy Half Proof-Likes ... please feel free to message me with what you have!
Thanks!
David
Aftermarket holders are abundant for last silver president year, first year Kennedy issue, bicentennial stuff but not much between except birth year sets. The mint and government were trying to kill coin collecting / speculation and hoarding of silver and rolls, by eliminating mintmarks in 65-67 and making proof set equivilants (SMS sets) ugly.. The 1970-D was only found in mint sets, so no rolls or bags except for what was made by collectors cutting up mint sets.
Paper quality has improved with less sulfur thanks to EPA. New albums do not tone like the older stuff from 40-50's. I do not feel this will change until counterfeit paper made from dirt, hair, cotton, other stuff starts coming from Asia. To say that colorful toning on clad halves is easy, just put them in an album shows a completely different understanding about toning than mine. I feel that maybe in 15-20 years, something attractive could result.
Here is a similar example - 1965 SMS nickel, grade is only in top third certified but high premium paid - which I correlate to at least 2 people who feel is rare. TT 1965 SMS nickel