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Fake 1 oz Engelhard Silver Bars

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't these normally have a serial number? Never seen one with proof-like surfaces.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have heard from multiple sources that fake one ounce silver bars are being sold in these hard plastic cases, presumably because the cases disguise the true weight.

    That doesn't mean that you could not have a genuine bar in a hard plastic case, but it is a major strike against it.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sent him a message that he should check the weight, out of the plastic, before he ships it.
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  • DrBusterDrBuster Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have heard from multiple sources that fake one ounce silver bars are being sold in these hard plastic cases, presumably because the cases disguise the true weight.

    That doesn't mean that you could not have a genuine bar in a hard plastic case, but it is a major strike against it. >>



    This. Heard similar about the plastic cases. Wouldn't touch these with the pole.
  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't these normally have a serial number? Never seen one with proof-like surfaces. >>




    PerryHall, my thoughts precisely.

    I looked at some of his closed auctions. Morgans are not my specialty but some he has sold look wrong.
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chinese non silver copies from the website below


    Aliexpress
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  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    One by one the physical PMs are going on the "do not buy" list.

    Will the future of PMs go the way of authentication slabs or will they all have verification scratches in them?

  • C0INB0YC0INB0Y Posts: 627 ✭✭
    Anything that is poured is suspect, IMHO.
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  • CoulportCoulport Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Anything that is poured is suspect, IMHO. >>



    These are die struck if anything like the Pan American I inspected. It had to be a copper blank, heavy silver plate and then struck with the strong sharp details it exhibited. That bar weighed 33.1 grams. To check it the edge was filed. Acid indicated good silver because of the heavy plating.
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  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭
    What does the future of bars look like? I'm thinking drilled holes in the metal (From the manufacturer), some sort of pattern of drills to show the center of the metal?

    Sounds logical.

  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭
    Yet another example of the appeal of stacking good old 90% US silver!
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yet another example of the appeal of stacking good old 90% US silver! >>



    Yup. And die struck sovereign silver coins are fine too (ASE's, Maples, Libertads, etc.).
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Yet another example of the appeal of stacking good old 90% US silver! >>



    Yup. And die struck sovereign silver coins are fine too (ASE's, Maples, Libertads, etc.). >>



    Yup. Thank god no one is counterfeiting ASE's.image

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  • vprvpr Posts: 632 ✭✭✭
    After reading this, I made small cuts in my Silvertowne 1 oz that I picked up a while back. Looks legit although it isn't tarnishing even after leaving it on my desk for a couple of weeks. It weights right and the size also appears correct.
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  • IcollecteverythingIcollecteverything Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Chinese non silver copies from the website below


    Aliexpress >>



    Looking at that link made me feel sick, a proud crook.

    I also looked at the ebayers wares from the OP. His pictures are pretty small but many coins he has sold have the same look of modern fakes. I hope someone can tell for sure and warn others. I would post this on the coin forum so the experts could look but I am having a tough time posting due to storms.

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  • LochNESSLochNESS Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Looking at that link made me feel sick … >>


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