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My Flying Dutchman Has Arrived...
thunderdan
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Wanted to share a card I recently acquired. Really excited about it and am amazed at its condition after all these years. Had the pleasure of spending some time speaking to Karl Kissner about finding these cards, the set, his grandfather, and the details around the find. Saw them at the last National and knew I had to have one of the Wagners. I'm very much looking forward to having this in my collection...
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Not many cards are stellar, but that one is absolutely stellar.
Congrats!
Bosox1976
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If anyone questioned my "meh" comment, Dan knows full well I was foolin'.
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Congrats on the pickup.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
GREAT CARD, just WOW.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Jeff
<< <i>The Black Swamp find was arguably one of the most noteworthy finds in the history of the hobby, so I would absolutely want that attribution on the flip, if I were the owner.
Congrats on the pickup. >>
+1
I'm usually not a fan of the personalized flips, but the pedigree of the Black Swamp definitely adds to the already considerable wow factor of that amazing card.
Congrats, Dan!
Snorto~
Definitely keep Black Swamp on the header. It can only help. Also a very fair price I might add!
<< <i>"Sell the wrappers, not the gum" - Everyone >>
<< <i>"Buy the card, not the holder" - Everyone >>
That statement applies to the condition and quality of the card in the holder. This example certainly looks deserving of the grade, imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>"Buy the card, not the holder" - Everyone >>
That statement applies to the condition and quality of the card in the holder. This example certainly looks deserving of the grade, imo. >>
Exactly, anything else is superfluous and detracts from the card itself, IMO. >>
I would not classify The Black Swamp find as superfluous, though, given its significance in the hobby, Paul, and obviously PSA agrees.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>"Buy the card, not the holder" - Everyone >>
That statement applies to the condition and quality of the card in the holder. This example certainly looks deserving of the grade, imo. >>
Exactly, anything else is superfluous and detracts from the card itself, IMO. >>
I would not classify The Black Swamp find as superfluous, though, given its significance in the hobby, Paul, and obviously PSA agrees. >>
Tim, any collector can take advantage of the pedigree service with pre-approval from customer service as stated here. >>
You're missing the point or being intentionally obtuse. The Black Swamp find was national news and heavily promoted by PSA on their web site. I'm certain that PSA chose to designate these cards as such due to the historical significance of the find. There is a big difference between that and someone requesting to personalize their own collection. Furthermore, if I owned one of these cards, I'd certainly want this attribution on the flip, given the significance of the find. Such an attribution (in this particular instance) does absolutely nothing to "detract" from the card.
Edit to add: On a similar note, famous or highly noteworthy coins are annotated on the flip by PCGS, as well. While I am not particulary in favor of "personalizing" flips, I recognize that certain pieces call for such attribution because of their significance.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Currently collecting 1934 Butterfinger, 1969 Nabisco, 1991 Topps Desert Shield (in PSA 9 or 10), and 1990 Donruss Learning Series (in PSA 10).
Mark
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Making comments about the flip , etc, is nothing more than jealously--but are we surprised considering the source?
wasn't there a few psa 10's in the bunch. my eyes watered just lookin
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Tim, intelligent individuals in this hobby like yourself understand why retaining the provenance is significant in this case, but sadly you are not conversing with one of those individuals above. He's merely carrying on with you because no one else answers his posts anymore since he started selling empty boxes, wrappers, and the gum from those empty packs on eBay.
Wow!!! Incredible card Dan. What a great piece of history. I love everything about that card including the flip.
Eventually I will own a card from the find. I am just waiting a little longer. If I had to pick one, Dan's Wagner would be a great one to have...Once again, congrats on a magnificent card.
Edited to add, I would definitely want, and keep, the pedigree on the flip.
What's the reason behind purchasing the card ?
Pirates fan ?
Pre-war collector ?
<< <i>I have it on good authority that Hans arrived in a package securely protected with brown tape. Take that for what you will.
If anyone questioned my "meh" comment, Dan knows full well I was foolin'. >>
I question everything you post especially this comment.
But I'm confused Dan, why this "Hans" guy? Now if it was a Honus Wagner, you'd really have something there.
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And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
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That is as good as it gets,what a stunner.
Would you consider this your cornerstone now? I know
you have quit the collection,just curious.As for the flip comments,wth
is this world coming to when thats even up for discussion on a card like this.Dont
know who mentioned it,but must be low on life if this is on your mind.
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1965 Football-8's
1958 Topps FB-7-8
<< <i>"Sell the wrappers, not the gum" - Everyone >>
+ 100,000,000,000
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I may be hoarding too much 80's junk wax but I like it!
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<< <i>How much did that cost you? >>
It sold for $23,900.00 including BP. >>
DANG!..So how much does that cost in "brown" tape...And no, we cannot substitute "pink" tape!
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I may be hoarding too much 80's junk wax but I like it!
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<< <i>"Buy the card, not the holder" - Everyone >>
That statement applies to the condition and quality of the card in the holder. This example certainly looks deserving of the grade, imo. >>
Exactly, anything else is superfluous and detracts from the card itself, IMO. >>
I would not classify The Black Swamp find as superfluous, though, given its significance in the hobby, Paul, and obviously PSA agrees. >>
Tim, any collector can take advantage of the pedigree service with pre-approval from customer service as stated here. >>
You're missing the point or being intentionally obtuse. The Black Swamp find was national news and heavily promoted by PSA on their web site. I'm certain that PSA chose to designate these cards as such due to the historical significance of the find. There is a big difference between that and someone requesting to personalize their own collection. Furthermore, if I owned one of these cards, I'd certainly want this attribution on the flip, given the significance of the find. Such an attribution (in this particular instance) does absolutely nothing to "detract" from the card.
Edit to add: On a similar note, famous or highly noteworthy coins are annotated on the flip by PCGS, as well. While I am not particulary in favor of "personalizing" flips, I recognize that certain pieces call for such attribution because of their significance. >>
Tim You are 100% spot on here, I would suggest not trying to reason with this person any further as its completely obvious your right and this individual is too hard headed to reason with.
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...And if you ever even consider getting rid of the "Black Swamp Find" pedigree from the flip, ...well,
nevermind. No thinking human would ever do that. Congrats again!!
Due to the newsworthniess (if that was a word) of *that* particular card, simply from a historical perspective, the designation and premium are a given.
Sounds more like jealousy rather than critiquing.
Anyone concerned about the display of provenance while comparing it as a misapplication of a vanity flip really has no grasp of the history of the card and the find and such a declaration should be dutifully dismissed.