13-Year Acquisition Time - Finally - Die Cap Morgan Dollar

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  • DorkGirl
    DorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
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    Wow, just wow. It's wonderful.image
    Becky
  • keyman64
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    << <i>Fred,

    That is a fantastic piece and I am looking forward to
    see it at the ANA in New Orleans in May. [ If it hasn't
    sold by then at Central States ].

    It makes my 1898 Barber Quarter Die Cap - Full Brockage look puny ! >>

    Well Done Fred!!! I have seen Mike's toy and was amazed by it since it seemed like it could be used as a small cup to drink out of. It is hard to imagine the Morgan with it being so huge!

    Do you have better images of it because the way that rough scan came out the obverse looks cleaned or damaged in some way. I doubt/hope it is not. When do we get to see GREAT photos of it? image

    Congratulations!
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  • ColonelJessup
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    JD, Dave M and a quite few other discussants will be clogging up the aisles at CSNS. Serious props as in OMG.imageimage

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  • fastfreddie
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    << <i>It makes my 1898 Barber Quarter Die Cap - Full Brockage look puny ! >>



    For all of us who don't own one, nothing about that 1898 is puny IMO.

    Both are outrageous errors!
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  • AuroraRarities
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    A great coin with an interesting story behind it!

    Thank you for sharing and congratulations on the long sought acquisition!
  • lloydmincy
    lloydmincy Posts: 1,861 ✭
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    Fred:
    Amazing - I would have guessed (and I would have paid) $50,000 but forgot how much the cent errors were going for. If you choose not to slab it, please don't drop it... image
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  • lava
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    cool
    I brake for ear bars.
  • coindeuce
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    Looks to be just about right for a hit of hot sake or absinthe !image

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  • BustHalfBrian
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    Stunning coin, Fred! Definitely an acquisition to be proud of.

    Sometimes patience really does pay off! image
  • astrorat
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    Very cool, Fred. Glad it ended up being real. I wish I could see it in person.

    Lane

    Edited to add ... Oh yeah ... please find me a twenty-cent die cap! image
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  • CaptHenway
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    << <i>Looks to be just about right for a hit of hot sake or absinthe !image >>



    absinthe makes the heart grow fonder!
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  • Lakesammman
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    Congrats on a great pickup! image
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  • 2ltdjorn
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    I believe die caps should be measured by the amount of Jameson they hold... so how many millileters does this cap hold? The world is waiting...
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  • Mitchell
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    Very cool find, Fred. Thanks for sharing.
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  • wondercoin
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    I was the underbidder on the amazing Ike Dollar die cap around a decade ago. Are there many other Ike $1 die caps out there? I still think about that coin.

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  • lkeigwin
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    I'd say you were very lucky. I wouldn't call it perseverance at all. (Does your assistant read all your stuff before shredding? She's a catch!)

    Better to be lucky than good. You have them both covered it seems.
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  • Zoins
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    << <i>he said that he still
    had the coin, that his father rec'd it sometime in the early 1960's, but
    that he didn't know anything else about how/why/where his father got it. >>



    I wonder if he'd be interested in having his, or his father's, name attached to the coin? Perhaps his father could be listed as the "discoverer." That would add some interesting additional history.

    I agree your assistant is a hero in this story. I hope you gave her a bonus!
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  • WoodenJefferson
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    Pretty amazing Morgan.

    Question: Can it be determined if it came from one of the branch Mints, New Orleans or Frisco or is it from Philly?

    Not that it matters, just curious.
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  • yosclimber
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    Wild coin, and epic saga!
    Thanks for sharing, and thanks to Broadstruck, too, for showing the other one.
  • Justlooking
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    Worth the wait. Incredible.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • DHeath
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    What a great story. That's a killer coin. It's big enough to be an ashtray.
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  • gonzer
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    << <i>

    << <i>Looks to be just about right for a hit of hot sake or absinthe !image >>



    absinthe makes the heart grow fonder! >>



    Oh brother!image
  • 1tommy
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    Congrats on the find and the waiting was truly worth it. I have never seen a coin like this and thanks for sharing..........Enjoy image
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  • FredWeinberg
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    I tried to match up the obv. die to
    a VAM obv. description for the different
    Mints, but couldn't.

    I'm assuming it's from Phily, although we
    probably will never know. It was purchased
    from the upper Midwest/Eastern part of the US.

    The original photos were scans, which, as you
    can see, aren't the best in clarity, especially
    for the Obv., due to the high edge. We're playing
    around with a digital camera now, and hope to have
    better photos soon.

    The coin has some light wipe-lines from long ago
    inside the obverse side.
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  • CoinZip
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    image

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  • oldsubguru
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    Congratulations on getting this most extraordinary error coin. It kind of makes you wonder what other error coins are out there waiting to be brought into the limelight! I would have thought the value over $100,00.00


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  • kookoox10
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    Amazing, you can serve the Thanksgiving turkey on that thing!
  • JerseyJoe
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    WOW. I didn't no coins like this existed. Congrats.
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  • lcoopie
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    perhaps it might be an idea to shoot a video of the coin?
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  • Windycity
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    Like everyone else all I can say is WOW. Great coin!
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  • Batman23
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    Very nice pickup and thanks for sharing. That is very coolimage
  • lordmarcovan
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    Are there any known gold coin die caps?

    Come to think of it, the only US gold errors I can recall seeing were those Indian cents struck on quarter eagle planchets, which are probably my favorite error coins. The OP coin is amazing, but I really like that 1859 IHC, too.

    Not to the tune of those prices, but I do think they're neat. (The prices are moot anyway since all of this stuff is exponentially out of my league.)

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  • messydesk
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    << <i>I tried to match up the obv. die to
    a VAM obv. description for the different
    Mints, but couldn't. >>


    Some day, someone will do a detailed die study for 1903-P, after which it will probably become easier to find a match. If it was in someone's collection before 1963, chances are it was not a 1903-O.
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  • Broadstruck
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    << <i>Are there any known gold coin die caps? >>



    Off the top of my head I don't recall having seen a US Gold die cap but do kind of remember having seen a 1824 British 1/2 Sovereign that Eliasberg acquired when he bought the Clapp collection in 1942.
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  • FredWeinberg
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    Other than the 1/2 Sov. mentioned above
    (which I hadn't heard of before), I am not
    aware of any US or World Gold Die Caps.

    There are off center $1 gold T.3's, some
    $2.5 Indians, the Bolt Collection Gold errors
    (7 coins of diff. denoms), a few Gem $5 Liberty's,
    and the one 1904 $20 Liberty that came out of
    Europe in the early '90's, and I bought out of a
    Heritage auction (since sold).

    I've always wondered if an Off Center St. Gaudens
    exist - but have never heard of a whisper of one.
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  • CaptHenway
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    Fred, when he asked about gold errors I remembered that 1904 $20 of yours.
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  • Broadstruck
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    << <i>Other than the 1/2 Sov. mentioned above
    (which I hadn't heard of before), I am not
    aware of any US or World Gold Die Caps.

    There are off center $1 gold T.3's, some
    $2.5 Indians, the Bolt Collection Gold errors
    (7 coins of diff. denoms), a few Gem $5 Liberty's,
    and the one 1904 $20 Liberty that came out of
    Europe in the early '90's, and I bought out of a
    Heritage auction (since sold).

    I've always wondered if an Off Center St. Gaudens
    exist - but have never heard of a whisper of one. >>



    FredWeinberg, Have you seen a B/S or P/C $20 Saint as beyond one known rim clip aren't all the other errors just strike through image
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  • SeattleSlammer
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    I love the stretched effect of Liberty's head. Fantastic!
  • Greeniejr
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    << <i>Fred, when he asked about gold errors I remembered that 1904 $20 of yours. >>



    Well that coin is currently in the hands of Mike Byers who I believe is asking 200k for it.
  • FredWeinberg
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    Sean, no, with the exception of that rim-clipped
    $20 St. Gaudens, I've never seen a partial collar,
    broadstrike, or any other mechanical error on them.

    There's lot's of laminations and struck thru's, but
    those are classic 'White Elephant' errors on such
    a host coin.

    Yes, I sold my Off Center $20 to Mike at least 5 years
    ago.........sigh..........

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  • mrearlygold
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    Wow, great coin Fred.

    The die cap thread?

    I had the 1865 2 cent piece and it's off the market for the forseeable future

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    The 1 cent

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  • LostSisler
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    In ANA Collection;

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  • seanq
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    << <i>Sean, no, with the exception of that rim-clipped
    $20 St. Gaudens, I've never seen a partial collar,
    broadstrike, or any other mechanical error on them.

    There's lot's of laminations and struck thru's, but
    those are classic 'White Elephant' errors on such
    a host coin.

    Yes, I sold my Off Center $20 to Mike at least 5 years
    ago.........sigh.......... >>




    Not to derail the thread, but are there any pictures of the rim-clipped St Gaudens $20? I know of another rim-clipped $20 gold, it was in the collection of my Massachusetts friend until a few years ago in an ANACS white slab, I think it was an 1894.


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  • CaptHenway
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    I vaguely remember seeing a close double struck in collar late-date $20 Lib, but I wouldn't swear by it.

    The most spectacular mechanical error U.S. gold coin I ever saw came through ANACS in the early 80's. It was a common date Turban Head $10, probably 1801 but possibly 1799, that had been struck with a normal obverse and a full brockage reverse, that was put back in the press and struck six more times. I counted seven relief strikes (all close) on the obverse and six relief strikes on the reverse, but you could still see the brockage strike.

    We certified it and returned it to the collector who submitted it and nobody in the error field has ever seen it again.

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  • CaptHenway
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    Just came across a clipping from the Jan. 24, 2005 Collectors Clearinghouse with a 1925-D $2-1/2 double struck in the collar with a 180 degree rotation between strikes. With the incused design, a lot of the first strike survived.
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  • MrEureka
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    Double struck quarter eagle imaged here
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    << <i>Double struck quarter eagle imaged here >>



    been a little while since i put together some overlays, kinda rusty. hope these work. (sorry for the thread hijacking Fred)

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  • CaptHenway
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    << <i>Double struck quarter eagle imaged here >>



    And they mention the close double strike late date $20 Lib I thought I remembered!


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