raised X or recessed? i say raised which would mean.....?
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damaged die? looks authentic but i didn't attribute it
you can drag/drop the image to your pc to enlarge it some more
you say what?
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damaged die? looks authentic but i didn't attribute it
you can drag/drop the image to your pc to enlarge it some more
you say what?
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<< <i>Ya, Very cool some other stuff going on by the date and at 1:00 very cool.
pretty sure the dot above the 1 is diagnostic, at least it shows on other images i have for this marriage (i think i attributed it correctly)
not the r8 i thought i may have been at first
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see from a head on pic.
bob
<< <i>A sharp penknife will move metal to a raised position and will be very difficult to
see from a head on pic.
bob
Photoshop achieves the same effect without ruining the coin
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Tom
<< <i>A sharp penknife will move metal to a raised position and will be very difficult to
see from a head on pic.
bob
Have seen dozens of coins defaced with an X in this manner.
<< <i>Definitely not raised IMO. Every time I have seen this type of thing, upon close examination it turns out to be a sharp cut in the metal which gives the appearance of a raised die line...but it isn't...it's just damage. >>
I agree.
Lance.
<< <i>A coin struck from cancelled dies could exhibit a raised "X." However, a cancelled die should be much more severely mutilated. In this case, it is an illusion created by a digital image. The scratches are post-mint damage created with a knife or pin. The nearby scratch to the rim, which is definitely incuse, seals the deal for me. >>
It's pretty hard to miss a cancelled die X:
<< <i>Unusual die scratches that were probably quickly polished out? They are raised for sure. >>
Sometimes, what we think we see isn't what we see at all.
They're scratches. The way the light is playing with them makes them look raised.
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<< <i>A sharp penknife will move metal to a raised position and will be very difficult to
see from a head on pic.
bob
This. Someone cut it with a knife to make sure it was silver in an era when base metal circulating counterfeits were a problem. Test marks aren't that unusual on older coins.
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and for some reason, especially Silver
Dollars.
It's generally done with some type of
Exacto Knife - it will leave two raised
lines that are the "X" - but - if you look
at one side or the other of the raised
line, you will see a thin indentation,
where the metal was cut in-to, and then
as a result, left the raised line.
They are ALL PMD, and as mentioned and
shown above, a true Cancelled Die will
have a major X across the vast majority
of the die face - similar to the 1995/6
Olympic Coin Dies sold by the U.S. Mint.
<< <i>A very common thing to find on coins,
and for some reason, especially Silver
Dollars.
It's generally done with some type of
Exacto Knife - it will leave two raised
lines that are the "X" - but - if you look
at one side or the other of the raised
line, you will see a thin indentation,
where the metal was cut in-to, and then
as a result, left the raised line.
They are ALL PMD, and as mentioned and
shown above, a true Cancelled Die will
have a major X across the vast majority
of the die face - similar to the 1995/6
Olympic Coin Dies sold by the U.S. Mint. >>
Why would someone do this to an expensive coin with an x-acto knife? It makes more sense to assume it was done with a pen knife when it was still in circulation to verify that it wasn't a silver plated base metal (lead) fake made to deceive the local merchant.
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an Exacto Knife vrs. a Pen Knife is a
difference in name - the result is the same,
as far as I know....even though they have
different blades, it appears......
<< <i>I'm not an expert on knives, so to me,
an Exacto Knife vrs. a Pen Knife is a
difference in name - the result is the same,
as far as I know....even though they have
different blades, it appears...... >>
X-acto knives are like replaceable razor blades with a handle and weren't made until the twentieth century. When you used the term x-acto knife I thought you were implying that the X was made during modern times rather than when this coin was still in circulation.
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Sometimes scratches look like they are raised, like something that was into the die (scratch or break), because they can include furrows with displaced metal on either side of them. That is probably the case here.
as you mentioned, I didn't
realize the 'time difference',
but definately didn't mean to
imply the X was modern.......
I just meant a sharp thin hard
blade......
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