Posted a story about a really cool error ATS

CaptHenway · February 13, 2013 5:02AM

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Something nobody in the error field has ever seen before.

MFH · February 13, 2013 5:08AM

Very rare to say the least. I too have never seen its like before.

ctf_error_coins · February 13, 2013 5:14AM

Wow!

Amazing!

LoveMyLiberty · February 13, 2013 5:20AM

Simply a terrific story. You continue to bring knowledge to this hobby!

Thank you Sir.

Barndog · February 13, 2013 5:23AM

best error ever!

NumisOxide · February 13, 2013 5:39AM

That is a unique find!

ThePennyLady · February 13, 2013 5:49AM

That is such a cool story and an amazing pair of errors - thank you for sharing it with us!

northcoin · February 13, 2013 6:12AM

Thanks, a most interesting report. When DeLorey took his photos was it prior to getting into the NGC holder? Assuming so what was the time frame between when he "discovered" it and when it was encapsulated and your present reporting? Does the original collector still own it or has it been sold, and if so at what price? Assuming it is still with the collector has he offered it for sale or auction and if so at what price or reserve?What is your own opinion as to value? Would also be curious what Charmy, The Penny Lady, would expect it to go for based on Penny errors sold in the past.

ricko · February 13, 2013 6:30AM

Amazing find....thanks for the story... Cheers, RickO

CaptHenway · February 13, 2013 6:39AM

<< Thanks, a most interesting report. When DeLorey took his photos was it prior to getting into the NGC holder? Assuming so what was the time frame between when he "discovered" it and when it was encapsulated and your present reporting? Does the original collector still own it or has it been sold, and if so at what price? Assuming it is still with the collector has he offered it for sale or auction and if so at what price or reserve?What is your own opinion as to value? Would also be curious what Charmy, The Penny Lady, would expect it to go for based on Penny errors sold in the past. >>

The photos of the coin and fragment were taken by NGC for the purposes of the article. The photo of the canvas bag was taken by the house photographer at Harlan J. Berk, Ltd.

TD

MsMorrisine · February 13, 2013 6:50AM

$8.525mil !!!

errormaven · February 13, 2013 6:50AM

It nicely illustrates how broad and thin some die fragments are. It's not simply a case of a angular chunk breaking off the corner defined by the the die neck and die face. Here it appears that a thin flake spontaneously separated from the die face as the result of some intrinsic flaw. This is not surprising as there is a subpopulation of cuds that do show the texture in the floor of the void in the die face. But it's nice to see direct confirmation. Great error and great write-up. -- Mike Diamond

gonzer · February 13, 2013 7:13AM

Never, ever, could I have imagined a scenario such as this when conceiving of a "unique" error. Thanks Cap'n.

keyman64 · February 13, 2013 7:14AM

Holy Carp! Very cool!

IrishMikey · February 13, 2013 7:22AM

Yeah, that is something I have never heard of before. Pretty cool.

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mkman123 · February 13, 2013 7:41AM

I wonder how much its worth? Very cool!

Timbuk3 · February 13, 2013 10:01AM

Unique, probably big $'s !!!

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tradedollarnut · February 13, 2013 12:06PM

That is very cool

pennyannie · February 13, 2013 1:53PM

That is totally cool!!!

numisma · February 13, 2013 2:02PM

What a fantastic story. Well written AND entertaining. This must be a unique error combination.

Type2 · February 13, 2013 2:15PM

Nice i think i have one but dont have the die pice dang.

BryceM · February 13, 2013 2:43PM

Very cool. Something like that is interesting even to a person who normally doesn't collect errors.

CaptHenway · February 13, 2013 9:46PM

To all who said thank you, you are quite welcome.

I really enjoyed handling this piece, and wanted to share it!

TD

TwoSides2aCoin · February 13, 2013 10:34PM

TD you ROCK & ROLL with the PUNCHES on the PRESSES. ( a few intended puns). Manufacturing is music to some of our ears. Thank you.

Your way of telling the story : It is something that completely rejuvenates and makes the hobby FRESH. I'm speaking to coin manufacturing and the ability to tell the story, both. Few have such skill. And the world is a better place because of the experts sharing their stories.
It's a

fascinating read. (some words are better left unsaid)

Happy Valentine's Day to all.

You made my day, sir.

oldsubguru · February 13, 2013 11:12PM

Excellent error and one that I am sure will never be struck in the same sequence again.

Windycity · February 13, 2013 11:18PM

Wow, now that is a very unique error. Love it.

SullivanNumismatics · February 13, 2013 11:38PM

I have to say that is one of the neatest error coin sets I've ever seen! Absolutely incredible, and it's amazing that it made it out of the mint.

I think Mr.DeLorey's theory of the piece of die having stuck to the coin which it last struck (prior to the die producing only cuds) is the most likely scenario of how it made it out of the mint without getting caught in the riddlers. As a cud enthusiast, this is quite possibly my favorite cud set! I'd easily give $5,000 for the pair.

Sonorandesertrat · February 13, 2013 11:59PM

A very interesting find, and thanks for writing up the story to share it with the numismatic community.

CaptHenway · February 14, 2013 5:33AM

<< I have to say that is one of the neatest error coin sets I've ever seen! Absolutely incredible, and it's amazing that it made it out of the mint.

I think Mr.DeLorey's theory of the piece of die having stuck to the coin which it last struck (prior to the die producing only cuds) is the most likely scenario of how it made it out of the mint without getting caught in the riddlers. As a cud enthusiast, this is quite possibly my favorite cud set! I'd easily give $5,000 for the pair. >>

Thanks! That's the best theory I could come up with.

As a cud collector, do you have any pieces that show the bulge embossed by being struck up against the rough die steel where the die fragment fell out?

TD

errormaven · February 14, 2013 6:50AM

I don't personally have any, but there are some nickels struck in the 1970s that show this effect nicely.

This one shows contact with the sloping floor of the void:

auction link

And there was that dime with the 50% cud I wrote up in Coin World with two indentations in the cud from die fragments that were trapped between the low ceiling of the void and the planchet. Here's a link to the public access version of the article:

Coin World article

gonzer · February 14, 2013 7:05AM

<< I don't personally have any, but there are some nickels struck in the 1970s that show this effect nicely.

>>

Mike, was that not a set of 1972 Jeffersons showing an amazing progression of the die chipping away?

errormaven · February 14, 2013 8:04AM

<< 

<< I don't personally have any, but there are some nickels struck in the 1970s that show this effect nicely.

>>

Mike, was that not a set of 1972 Jeffersons showing an amazing progression of the die chipping away? >>

I'm actually thinking of several unrelated cuds. There is one from 1972 (I think) where there's a stepped (multi-level) cud covering part of IN GOD WE TRUST. I've always assumed the surface topography matched the topography on the ceiling of the void.

DAVEatHLRC · February 14, 2013 9:03AM

<< What a fantastic story. Well written AND entertaining. This must be a unique error combination. >>

What Numisma said.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Type2 · February 14, 2013 9:19AM

No i thought it was this one.

Wrong

Very cool thanks for showing us.

SullivanNumismatics · February 14, 2013 12:58PM

<< 

<< I have to say that is one of the neatest error coin sets I've ever seen! Absolutely incredible, and it's amazing that it made it out of the mint.

I think Mr.DeLorey's theory of the piece of die having stuck to the coin which it last struck (prior to the die producing only cuds) is the most likely scenario of how it made it out of the mint without getting caught in the riddlers. As a cud enthusiast, this is quite possibly my favorite cud set! I'd easily give $5,000 for the pair. >>

Thanks! That's the best theory I could come up with.

As a cud collector, do you have any pieces that show the bulge embossed by being struck up against the rough die steel where the die fragment fell out?

TD >>

Yes I do, and I have some others like that which are simply in "inventory." As I'm sure you know, there are a handful which have an impression from a die fragment. One that comes to mind is the 1955-S cent with the damage from a die fragment, and also I believe there is a 1980 1c, and I know there's a 1983 1c. I've seen at least one quarter with severe die damage from a die fragment, and others which I can't recall off the top of my head.

seanq · February 14, 2013 2:02PM

<< 
As a cud collector, do you have any pieces that show the bulge embossed by being struck up against the rough die steel where the die fragment fell out?

TD >>

Yes I do, and I have some others like that which are simply in "inventory." As I'm sure you know, there are a handful which have an impression from a die fragment. One that comes to mind is the 1955-S cent with the damage from a die fragment, and also I believe there is a 1980 1c, and I know there's a 1983 1c. I've seen at least one quarter with severe die damage from a die fragment, and others which I can't recall off the top of my head. >>

There's also a 1989 cent where the coin is appears undated because of a large cud, but the die fragment clashed with the obverse die and the "89" of the date is visible in the field in front of Abe's forehead.

Sean Reynolds

CaptHenway · February 14, 2013 9:55PM

That fragment clash sounds neat! Don't think I have seen that one. Got a picture you can post?

errormaven · February 14, 2013 10:49PM

Here's an array of floating die clashes, which can be found on www.maddieclashes.com.

floating die clashes

These of course have nothing in common with cuds that carry the impression of the void's topography.

CaptHenway · February 14, 2013 11:06PM

<< Here's an array of floating die clashes, which can be found on www.maddieclashes.com.

floating die clashes

These of course have nothing in common with cuds that carry the impression of the void's topography. >>

Excellent!

Thanks!

CaptHenway · February 26, 2013 7:40AM

The pieces have found a new home with a serious error collector.
TD

astrorat · February 26, 2013 4:00PM

Congrats to the collector. What a fantastic story ... thanks, Tom!

Shamika · February 26, 2013 9:19PM

I have little interesting in errors, but that's one that I would love to own. What a great piece.

Posted a story about a really cool error ATS

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