Counterfeit 1871 Shallow N Indian Cent in Goldbergs

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• EagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 12:15PM

  The coin is a known counterfeit.
  
  Goldberg's should take it down and PCGS should buy it back.
  
  Here's another one:
  
  
  
  Notice the damage on the neck. It is repeating damage from the host coin used to make the fake die.
  
  
  Here's a third example, with a different reverse.
  
  

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• AUandAG Posts: 24,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 12:39PM

  Phew, just checked mine and lucked out, no fakey!
  
  bob

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• RichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 1:14PM

  I bought mine from Rick Snow, so I know I have no worries on that coin!

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• AuroraBorealis Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 2:58PM

  Awesome observation/knowledge Rick! Good thing U missed it Boosi!
  
  AB

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 3:03PM

  Way to go Rick!

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• Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 3:21PM

  Fooled me totally.

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 3:37PM

  
  
  << <i>Fooled me totally. >>
  
  
  kinda reminds ya of those counterfeit micro o's with the reverse field gouge huh?
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• ColoradoCoinGuy Posts: 234 ✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 3:38PM

  Rick,
  Couldn't one of the fakes actually be real if it was the
  original or "host" coin used to make the fake die?
  Would there be any way to tell which coin was the "host" coin?
  
  
  
  Mark

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• Boosibri Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 7:51PM

  Obviously fooled me. Wow!

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• DorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭

  February 1, 2013 11:53PM

  Great info.

  Becky

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• EagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 12:15AM

  ColoradoCG, the host coin was likely destroyed in the process. The 1871 Shallow N is very scarce, so the die characteristics of the real ones are well documented in my book. When one is found that doesn't match, it is news in the Indian Cent die variety world. The reverse of the fake in the auction is also found on a 1872 Shallow N fake. The identifier is the die crack at 2:00. Keep an eye out for this reverse showing up on a 1877. I haven't seen one yet, but they are probably out there.
  
  Frankly, other than being fake, the coin in the auction is so not original color, I am surprised it passed PCGS and got graded.

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• ColoradoCoinGuy Posts: 234 ✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 1:39AM

  Rick,
  
  Thanks for the additional info. I didn't know that the host coins
  are likely destroyed when making a fake die, but it makes sense.
  
  Mark

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• CoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 1:51AM

  is there any way to tell if the slab is actually PCGS?

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• PerryHall Posts: 46,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 2:19AM

  
  
  << <i>ColoradoCG, the host coin was likely destroyed in the process. >>
  
  
  
  Many counterfeit dies are created by a casting process that wouldn't destroy the genuine coin used as a model.

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• Boosibri Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 2:27AM

  
  
  << <i>is there any way to tell if the slab is actually PCGS? >>
  
  
  
  The coin is actually on the PCGSCoinfacts main page for the 1871. Seems like they slabbed it not recognizing the issue.

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• braddick Posts: 24,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 2:38AM

  Such a convincing counterfeit in a PCGS slab... I'd think it would be collectible just for those facts alone. . .

  peacockcoins

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• EagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 2:42AM

  The coin is actually on the PCGSCoinfacts main page for the 1871. Seems like they slabbed it not recognizing the issue.
  
  That is funny, and Scary at the same time. I does prove that the holder is real.

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• CoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 2:50AM

  
  
  << <i>
  
  << <i>is there any way to tell if the slab is actually PCGS? >>
  
  
  
  The coin is actually on the PCGSCoinfacts main page for the 1871. Seems like they slabbed it not recognizing the issue. >>
  
  
  
  
  oh my

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• EagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

  February 2, 2013 6:52AM

  Withdrawn from Goldberg's.
  
  
  Here it is from CoinFacts:
  
  
  

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  July 7, 2015 6:59AM

  .
  ttt for an important thread.
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