Goodbye 75 Watt incadescents (I've understood from grading services, this is the key wattage they us

Prethen · January 7, 2013 7:17AM

100 Watts already gone.

75W Adios!

Cameonut · January 7, 2013 7:26AM

To keep this coin related, I use small incandescent and halogen desk lamps for coins. I do not use the standard sized bulbs.

It is my understanding that decorative type bulbs (like in my desk lamp) are not impacted by the light bulb law.

Also note that smaller 60w and 40w lamps will phase out next year. Also, not mentioned, is that 4 foot and 8 foot T12 fluorescent tubes are now obsolete as well. These are the 1 1/2 inch diameter tubes that we all have grown accustomed to. These will be replaced by T8 tubes that are 1 inch in diameter, but also need a ballast upgrade from magnetic to electronic to get the full energy saving benefit.

And if you think you can get around this by importing bulbs from another country, the feds thought of that - it is illegal.

Now back to coins.

pitboss · January 7, 2013 7:28AM

I have enough of all of them to last me the rest of my life.

BillJones · January 7, 2013 7:33AM

<< To keep this coin related, I use small incandescent and halogen desk lamps for coins. I do not use the standard sized bulbs.

It is my understanding that decorative type bulbs (like in my desk lamp) are not impacted by the light bulb law.

Also note that smaller 60w and 40w lamps will phase out next year. Also, not mentioned, is that 4 foot and 8 foot T12 fluorescent tubes are now obsolete as well. These are the 1 1/2 inch diameter tubes that we all have grown accustomed to. These will be replaced by T8 tubes that are 1 inch in diameter, but also need a ballast upgrade from magnetic to electronic to get the full energy saving benefit.

And if you think you can get around this by importing bulbs from another country, the feds thought of that - it is illegal.

Now back to coins. >>

It is coin related because those us who have used incandesent lights all of our lives to grade coins are not happy.

So far as this thread goes, I am not aware that you have been appointed as the offical board censor.

Cameonut · January 7, 2013 7:37AM

<< 

<< To keep this coin related, I use small incandescent and halogen desk lamps for coins. I do not use the standard sized bulbs.

It is my understanding that decorative type bulbs (like in my desk lamp) are not impacted by the light bulb law.

Also note that smaller 60w and 40w lamps will phase out next year. Also, not mentioned, is that 4 foot and 8 foot T12 fluorescent tubes are now obsolete as well. These are the 1 1/2 inch diameter tubes that we all have grown accustomed to. These will be replaced by T8 tubes that are 1 inch in diameter, but also need a ballast upgrade from magnetic to electronic to get the full energy saving benefit.

And if you think you can get around this by importing bulbs from another country, the feds thought of that - it is illegal.

Now back to coins. >>

It is coin related because those us who have used incandesent lights all of our lives to grade coins are not happy.

So far as this thread goes, I am not aware that you have been appointed as the offical board censor. >>

Bill, I'm not trying to be the censor - just trying to keep the train on the tracks before someone else chirps and gets it poofed. This is an important topic.

I am also not happy with the situation, that is why I mentioned that the decorative lamps are not at issue at this time. But if any of you use standard lamps, now is the time to stock up. It's already difficult in my area to find the old 100w lamps that were banned last year.

JamesM · January 7, 2013 7:42AM

Interestingly we can still buy our 250w 300w and 500w bulbs...... I wonder if they are on the list to be phased out.

silverpop · January 7, 2013 7:50AM

i use a 15 watt CFL bulb for my coin pics

Cameonut · January 7, 2013 7:54AM

<< Interestingly we can still buy our 250w 300w and 500w bulbs...... I wonder if they are on the list to be phased out. >>

As far as I have read, it is only the standard A-line light bulbs 100w, 75w, 60w, and 40w (plus the fluorescents noted above). Those standard bulbs are probably a very large percentage of the market - thus the greatest impact.

And it is not about being able to buy them. The ban relates to manufacture of the bulbs. The exact date when they will become unavailable is determined by how much supply is in the system and how much demand there is. Once the shelves are bare - they are bare.

I have a stash of 75w and 60w I use for my lights at coin shows. It makes little economic sense to convert those to CFL or LED lamps because I don't use them often enough to justify the investment. Now the lamps in my home are a different story - they are used enough that it makes sense for me to convert to CFL as the savings makes it worth it in the long run.

cmerlo1 · January 7, 2013 8:50AM

Stupid government. There are WAY bigger issues to tackle than this.

Goldbully · January 7, 2013 8:54AM

<< I have enough of all of them to last me the rest of my life. >>

Me too!

cladking · January 7, 2013 11:56AM

<< 100 Watts already gone.

75W Adios! >>

Under the regulations, all bulbs must be 27 percent more efficient.

That's interesting. I wonder how you calculate the efficiency of evacuating a room when a cfl breaks. If one breaks in a theatre does the whole room have to be evacuated or merely a 100' radius. Is there any enforcement and if not can I sue the fascility that fails to warn me?

How do lawyers impact the efficiency of light bulbs and how many lobbyists does it take to screw one in?

oreville · January 7, 2013 7:12PM

I wonder if someone will stockpile enough of these bulbs to make a fortune someday 10-20 years from now when it really gets difficult to find these 75 and 100 watt bulbs?

Hmmmmmm.

7over8 · January 7, 2013 9:57PM

My thoughts exactly. Just like R12.

s4ny · January 7, 2013 10:39PM

Some serious research that the new bulbs emit UV rays and cause cancer:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1751-1097.2012.01192.x/abstract

They may join other great savings ideas like asbestos flooring and siding. residential aluminum wiring, blown in urea insulation, lead pipes and paint, amalgam fillings, etc.

mrearlygold · January 7, 2013 10:42PM

<< I wonder if someone will stockpile enough of these bulbs to make a fortune someday 10-20 years from now when it really gets difficult to find these 75 and 100 watt bulbs?

Hmmmmmm. >>

And the chinese will manufacture them wearing the "made in the usa" logo.

georgiacop50 · January 7, 2013 10:54PM

<< ...the new bulbs emit UV rays and cause cancer: >>

Pretty much ALL fluorescents used for lighting emit UV. Including the 40w tubes we have all been bombared with our entire lifetimes while at the office, shopping at Walmart, etc., so this is nothing new.

SportsModerator · January 8, 2013 12:01AM

My, we're a bunch of cheery, happy people this AM

Hyperion · January 8, 2013 12:03AM

<< My, we're a bunch of cheery, happy people this AM >>

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BillJones · January 8, 2013 12:10AM

<< I would like to see a picture based range of the best lights for proper coin analysis and the worst, that would make it crystal clear for lifelong learners like me who have bought a lot of overgraded coins over the years. You go to a dealer who only has standard lighting. You pull out or he provides one of those square magnifiers; you will never be able to make a proper judgment on the coin re: cleaning etc. unless you have well trained and sharp eyes, many of us do not have them. Halogen lights are apparently some of the best. >>

Halogen lights are too bright for me. They just wipe out my eye balls.

Give me an incadescent light with a 10X glass, and I am set.

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DrPete · January 8, 2013 3:17AM

It would not surprise me in the least if the major grading services buy up a big quantity of 75 Watt bulbs before they become extinct.

Another thought: It has been my belief that the original light bulbs, once perfected decades ago, lasted virtually forever. However, such items are detrimental to companies like GE and others making a profit, so most incandescent bulbs have been manufactured with intentionally weak filaments so that they burn out more often, sending consumers to the store to buy them and thus keep a demand up for the items; planned obsolescence.

Given these thoughts, with a little engineering, someone could make a batch of very long-lasting incandescent bulbs with strong filaments that may never need to be replaced.

Chime in someone if this filament situation is true.

coinsarefun · January 8, 2013 3:24AM

The future of light is.......

Forgot.........and here

DrPete · January 8, 2013 3:32AM

Seems to me a company that can figure out technology to sniff coins to detect externally applied substances, can find someone to make everlasting filament light bulbs.

My in-laws once told me that Detroit Edison gave out light bulbs for free, as it encouraged people to use more electricity and these bulbs lasted 10-20 years or longer, and rarely needed replacing.

coinsarefun · January 8, 2013 3:42AM

Check out the comparison between incandecent, cfl and LED

Here is a picorial of color and feel from incandecent to LED's

jmski52 · January 8, 2013 3:54AM

The radio report that I listened to yesterday indicates that most of the CFLs are defective in the protective coating that is supposed to shield the harmful effects of UV emitting from the bulbs, and the resulting radiation leakage can cause cancer and burn eyes & skin. The precautions listed for any broken CFLs are very similar to any hazmat type cleanup procedures.

Nice, eh?

pf70collector · January 8, 2013 4:34AM

We are an advanced society technologically. I am sure there will be an invention in the near future of a hybrid incadescent/CFL bulb or something that will replace both the CFL and Incadescent that will be better over all. Can always hope.

foodude · January 8, 2013 4:41AM

I too stocked on the 100 watt bulbs when they were still available ... and have a lifetime supply.

cladking · January 8, 2013 5:40AM

<< It would not surprise me in the least if the major grading services buy up a big quantity of 75 Watt bulbs before they become extinct.

Another thought: It has been my belief that the original light bulbs, once perfected decades ago, lasted virtually forever. However, such items are detrimental to companies like GE and others making a profit, so most incandescent bulbs have been manufactured with intentionally weak filaments so that they burn out more often, sending consumers to the store to buy them and thus keep a demand up for the items; planned obsolescence.

Given these thoughts, with a little engineering, someone could make a batch of very long-lasting incandescent bulbs with strong filaments that may never need to be replaced.

Chime in someone if this filament situation is true. >>

Not only do modern light bulbs last a fraction of the time older ones did but some of them,
like GE, throw off a spark sometimes when they burn out. They waste tremendous natural
resources to make many light bulbs when one well made one would cost little more and last
far longer. It's an economy based on greed and waste. When women's nylons first came out
in the 40's they lasted forever but soon they were so fragile that anything would cause un-
sightly runs so a new pair was needed. This caused them to go out of style.

Manufacterers spend a lot money and resources looking for new ways to waste material and
value to the customer.

I doubt any filament could be made to last more than a few years unless it was extremely heavy
and this would cause a long delay time until it got bright... ...like a cfl.

By the way my first cfl is three years old and doing fine. One I bought a year ago burned out
from light usage in only six months. It won't be too long until all the cfl's are perfected and last
a couple months in heavy usage just like the old bulbs.

Rather than make quality so everyone can share in the planet's bounty we make garbage and
shovel it into landfills to benefit the few.

pitboss · January 8, 2013 5:59AM

<< I wonder if someone will stockpile enough of these bulbs to make a fortune someday 10-20 years from now when it really gets difficult to find these 75 and 100 watt bulbs?

Hmmmmmm. >>

If I am still alive in 20 years ( I will be 93 years old) I will probably be blind anyway so who cares.

streeter · January 8, 2013 6:00AM

I'm still finding 100w bulbs once in a while in my little cubby hole independant 99 cent store. 4/$1

MacCrimmon · January 8, 2013 6:25AM

LOAD UP HERE !!!!!

mrpotatoheadd · January 8, 2013 6:39AM

<< I doubt any filament could be made to last more than a few years unless it was extremely heavy
and this would cause a long delay time until it got bright... ...like a cfl.

By the way my first cfl is three years old and doing fine. >>

At my old house, when I moved in, I turned on the front porch light and left it on. When I moved out five years later, it was still on. It was an incandescent bulb. At my new house, I put a cfl in for my front porch light and turned it on. It burned out in less than 6 months. Go figure.

Raufus · January 8, 2013 6:41AM

<< I have enough of all of them to last me the rest of my life. >>

Same here - literally. Same for 100W, 150W and the other evil bulbs.

So, what will they use for grading? How will this affect grading?

droopyd · January 8, 2013 7:00AM

As of January 1, traditional 75-watt incandescent light bulbs can no longer be manufactured in the United States….

They're all made in China now anyway.

cladking · January 8, 2013 7:01AM

<< 

<< I doubt any filament could be made to last more than a few years unless it was extremely heavy
and this would cause a long delay time until it got bright... ...like a cfl.

By the way my first cfl is three years old and doing fine. >>

At my old house, when I moved in, I turned on the front porch light and left it on. When I moved out five years later, it was still on. It was an incandescent bulb. At my new house, I put a cfl in for my front porch light and turned it on. It burned out in less than 6 months. Go figure. >>

A lot of damage to both types of bulbs occur when they are turned on.

Industry is so inefficient that large banks of the old type incandescent bulbs don't even
have an on/off switch because the ballasts are o expensive to replace. This is true even
when they are rarely used such as in computer rooms and the like. Of course industry gets
a sweetheart deal with the utilities so everyone else pays for their power and waste.

I personally prefer a higher wattage incandescent bulb for grading. Usually I use a 100
watt at ~4 1/2 feet but a 150 at 6' works a little better. If I must use a lower wattage
then I shield it from my eyes and turn the filament so that it points at the work. Some
filament shapes prevent this. You want the light to be originating from a point. This is
better understood if you try grading by sunlight. I find this impossible and doubly so for
clad. Every clad looks Gem in sunlight.

cladking · January 8, 2013 7:05AM

<< My, we're a bunch of cheery, happy people this AM >>

I hope it wasn't my fault.

Cfl's are a little bit of a sore spot for me.

On the bright side we still have electricity and most of us can see and grade coins.

giorgio11 · January 8, 2013 7:09AM

<< 

<< I have enough of all of them to last me the rest of my life. >>

Me too!

>>

Me three!

Best Regards,

George

mrpotatoheadd · January 8, 2013 7:20AM

<< A lot of damage to both types of bulbs occur when they are turned on. >>

They've got to turned on at least once, right?

Seriously though... at my old house, all the bulbs were incandescent and I only needed to replace a couple of them in the bathroom because they burned out in the five years I lived there. Before that house, there was an incandescent bulb in the carport fixture where I lived. I was there for 12 years and only replaced that bulb once.

Don't know what this means aside from the fact I'm doubtful regarding the claims of much longer life for cfls based on personal experience. As always, YMMV.

DieClash · January 8, 2013 8:45AM

Was I the only one who read Stefanie's links in this thread?

The LED technology looks both less expensive than both Incandescents and CFLs and and safer, including environmentally so.

Have any TPGs tried a 75 Watt LED in comparison to the 75-Watt Incandescent?

Looks like LED lighting technology is the potential answer that the hobby needs.

CladKing you wanna be the guinea pig and test one out?

Here's another LED link for what it's worth!

Cheers!

Kirk

goldbuffalo · January 8, 2013 9:33AM

Yep, LED is the way of the future.

i'm skipping the CFL's and going straight to the LED, just waiting for the price to come down.

cladking · January 8, 2013 9:50AM

<< 
CladKing you wanna be the guinea pig and test one out?

>>

I've heard good things about the LED but I'm rarely the first guy to try new things.

coinsarefun · January 8, 2013 10:11AM

<< Yep, LED is the way of the future.

i'm skipping the CFL's and going straight to the LED, just waiting for the price to come down. >>

They have come down tremendously in price and are available at Home Depot.
The reason I know so much about this is because of my remodeling and new construction in Southern California.

Here there is a Title 24 energy code and so much has changed forcing manufactures to step up and make it more energy efficient, last longer and
more affordable. Just like the automatic sensor switches in commercial applications, homes are using them as well.

There is a bunch of new products coming out and not just in lighting for energy efficient items such as appliances and more.
And if the economy doesn't continue to tank we will be seeing them soon.....otherwise it may take awhile

btw..........for the last several years if you have stepped inside a casino almost 98% of casino floor lighting is LED.

pf70collector · January 8, 2013 10:23AM

Yes, my front porch light does not like CFLs. They burn out very quickly because of the cold weather.

amwldcoin · January 8, 2013 10:49AM

The outside floodlights in my house just passed the 30 year mark! Of course the only 1 that has quit is the one that's nearly 50ft off the ground. The 2 which are lower and not protected by a roof over hang have had the lenses fall off and they still work!

halfhunter · January 8, 2013 11:23AM

Geeze . . . . First the government dictates how we s#*t & shower with that low-flow crap . . . Now they tell us what kind of bulbs we can use to light our homes . . . Dammit Boy . . . are there no freedoms at all left in this country ? ! ? !

HH

SeattleSlammer · January 8, 2013 11:52AM

leothelyon · January 9, 2013 2:08PM

<< My thoughts exactly. Just like R12. >>

Do you know what that sells for these days? Just curious.

AUandAG · January 9, 2013 2:19PM

Finally a reason to pull the drapes back and let the light in!

bob

Goodbye 75 Watt incadescents (I've understood from grading services, this is the key wattage they us

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