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As a former employee of the Webster, N.Y. police department, the events of this morning are so heartbreaking. Even the young volunteer firefighter killed was a personal friend and classmate of a niece. My hometown will never be the same after this. I hope that all of my friends here will find the peace and joy that should be a part of this holiday. 
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Not to get political, Just get rid of the guns and this world will be a better place.
Im truly sorry for all the families affected by this additional tragedy
<< <i>This country makes me sick. I absolutely hate all this shooting and gun crap!
Not to get political, Just get rid of the guns and this world will be a better place.
Im truly sorry for all the families affected by this additional tragedy >>
Much of the slaughter of humankind happened well before gunpowder was invented.
Guns only make it more convenient.
<< <i>This country makes me sick. I absolutely hate all this shooting and gun crap!
Not to get political, Just get rid of the guns and this world will be a better place.
Im truly sorry for all the families affected by this additional tragedy >>
If those firemen had been armed with nuclear weapons, nobody would have f'd with them!
The first 6 years of my life were spent in Webster NY, so of course, my parents called me today to mention this. My heart goes out to you, your neice, and the community.
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That said, what that monster had that caused this was not a gun, bat or kitchen knife.
It was the hate in his heart and the thoughts in his head that caused this.
<< <i>This country makes me sick. I absolutely hate all this shooting and gun crap!
Not to get political, Just get rid of the guns and this world will be a better place.
Im truly sorry for all the families affected by this additional tragedy >>
The story I read was he beat his grandma to death with a hammer in the 80s (and mind you he was released) - The death penalty should have applied to begin with and we wouldn't have these Aholes walking among us.
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<< <i>This country makes me sick. I absolutely hate all this shooting and gun crap!
Not to get political, Just get rid of the guns and this world will be a better place.
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That's not political ... it's what any logical, intelligent citizen of the world would say.
Something needs to be done about the mentally unstable, particularly when we're alert to it. It's time we get tough and screw their civil liberties.
Lance.
Hoard the keys.
If mental health were sexy and profitable like neurosurgery or cardiology, there would be fewer crazy people doing crazy things.
<< <i>Another sick mind... and a terrible tragedy. Let us place the blame where it belongs... Cheers, RickO >>
Exactly right Ricko , the dude had already been in the can for bashing an old ladys head in with a hammer. He shouldnt have been out on the streets.
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>This country makes me sick. I absolutely hate all this shooting and gun crap!
Not to get political, Just get rid of the guns and this world will be a better place.
Im truly sorry for all the families affected by this additional tragedy >>
The sick minds are attracted to all the press coverage. they want to be famous in death. So long as they live on the front pages for 2 week and the president personally addresses the issues, those sickos watching will find a way to die in infamy. This is true whether they have access to guns or not. Suppost this guy had just booby trapped the fire with a bomb? Hatred for guns is misplaced. 100x as many innocents die in automobile accidents and we don't hate cars. --Jerry
The criminal justice system is another sham that we pay dearly for. Because it's deemed inhumane to actually punish criminal behavior, we end up providing recreation, TVs, libraries and free stuff even to those who are in prison for very good reasons. No system is perfect, and there will always be injustices and miscarriages of justice, but I have to ask - at what point are you willing to sacrifice the lives of innocents so that a criminal can have it easier? At what point are you willing to sacrifice the lives of innocents because you are afraid of calling bizzarre antisocial behavior what it is?
Both of the recent atrocities were done by criminals who planned well ahead of the acts and chose soft targets. If you continue to make excuses for the criminals, you will get more of the same. If you start punishing criminals instead of coddling them, you start solving the problem. Unfortunately, the blinders are still on for too many people. I'm sorry these things continue to happen.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>Damn. That's just heartbreaking. On Christmas eve too. My heart breaks for their families.
Something needs to be done about the mentally unstable, particularly when we're alert to it. It's time we get tough and screw their civil liberties.
Lance. >>
Screw civil liberties? That's crazy talk!
The night before the Sandy Hook shooting, a very popular TV show had the graphic depiction of a nuclear family of 4 being shot in their own home, on TV, during Prime Time - the night before the real shooting. What makes it ok to show such a thing in graphic detail on TV these days? It's a popular show!
Aside from the "entertainment industry's" implied hostility toward traditional families, would the outrage over the shooting have been ANY DIFFERENT if the TV scene had been a school shooting instead of a nuclear family of 4? What makes it ok to gun down a family of 4 on Primetime TV instead of a school full of kids? Please someone tell me the difference.
There's no dearth of shoot'em, kill'em, "grand theft auto" mentality types of games being jammed down our throats by the "entertainment industry". In stark contrast, I have yet to see the NRA put out a shoot'em up video in order to make a quick buck. Let's start drawing a much sharper distinction between responsible human beings and the criminals among us.
Disarm normal, law-abiding gun owners and what do you have left? A country full of criminals with guns. I can't imagine a dumber idea under the circumstances.
I knew it would happen.
<< <i>As a former employee of the Webster, N.Y. police department, the events of this morning are so heartbreaking. Even the young volunteer firefighter killed was a personal friend and classmate of a niece. My hometown will never be the same after this. I hope that all of my friends here will find the peace and joy that should be a part of this holiday.
Coindeuce -
As retired FD, my heart goes out to all of the families. LODD's are difficult enough, senseless ones are unbearable. In house fires we actually become desensitized to hearing gunfire. Usually it's ammo somewhere in the house going off. These guys never would have guessed someone was actually shooting at them.
Now they're going home.
DB
Just a note: Has everyone forgot about the Oklahoma City Bomber? As someone noted, a mental ill person will find a way to cause mayhem.
One problem I have is that the killer had guns and as a ex con he wasn't supposed to have them according to the law.
My heart still hurts when I think of the Sandy Hook children.
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<< <i>Damn. That's just heartbreaking. On Christmas eve too. My heart breaks for their families.
Something needs to be done about the mentally unstable, particularly when we're alert to it. It's time we get tough and screw their civil liberties.
Lance. >>
Screw civil liberties? That's crazy talk! >>
I said screw the civil liberties of the mentally unstable, not screw civil liberties. W're too damned soft on criminals, sane or otherwise.
Lance.
Eric
Edit to add: I will say - Re removing civil liberties from the mentally unstable : OK, so you do that. That removes most all politicians, all delusional robe wearers and a good chunk of the populace at large. Then what?
Milk referenced below was a 1947 graduate of my High School BTW.
<< <i>It is the Liberal mentality that is doing all the killing. Remember the Twinkie defense... >>
Not sure where you come up with such a ridiculous statement.
For historic perspective, the so-called "Twinkie Defense" was originally developed by the attorneys for "extreme right-wing" ex-cop Dan White to get a reduced sentence for the 1978 assassination murders of two "liberal" elected officials - San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk.
The unpopular verdict of voluntary manslaughter (instead of capital murder) ultimately led to a change in California state law that ended the diminished capacity defense - especially ironic since White later admitted to premeditation.
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I fail to see where guns are the problem, i graduated high school in 1980. We were given guns as prizes for selling magazines and fruit from the FFA department. Everyone truck at my high school had a gun rack with guns in them in plain view in the small parking lot. The teachers all knew the guns were there. Back in the 70's and 80's my school was quick to paddle students and still no teachers or students were shot except for the guy that accidendly shot his foot deer hunting.
If you do not want a gun that is fine with me but leave mine alone.
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<< <i>What a tragic and sensely act.
I fail to see where guns are the problem, i graduated high school in 1980. We were given guns as prizes for selling magazines and fruit from the FFA department. Everyone truck at my high school had a gun rack with guns in them in plain view in the small parking lot. The teachers all knew the guns were there. Back in the 70's and 80's my school was quick to paddle students and still no teachers or students were shot except for the guy that accidendly shot his foot deer hunting.
If you do not want a gun that is fine with me but leave mine alone. >>
My dad would give his shotgun to the school bus driver in the morning, and then in the evening the bus driver would let him off the bus a mile or two early and my dad would hunt squirrels on the way home. Can you imagine if a kid tried to take a shotgun on the bus today! Guns are not the problem, the deterioration of society is.
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