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cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
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Obviously cleaned. What is the technical grade?

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What would be a "net" grade for this piece?

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    xf details. nice images

    edited to add: possible tooling
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    edited to add: 12-16-12
    after looking at the one in the pcgs holder, xf details is too strong for the OP coin.
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    savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,374 ✭✭✭✭
    xf

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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    Net grade?
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tech grade = xf45
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    How does "net grading" work for this series? Drop a full grade for cleaning?

    In other words, go from about XF-45 all of the way down to VF-20 for this piece?
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The sharpness grade is EF, but given the level of the cleaning I would net grade it to VF-20. Given what a the usual VF -20 looks like, I would that it would be a toss up between this piece and a "real" VF-20. I am a "snob" save up until I could afford one in EF-40 or better.
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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you tell if it has honest wear or are the missing details from an incomplete strike?

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The surfaces are too grainy to be "honest wear." "Honest wear" would show smoother fields. These fields look like sandpaper.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,828 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.
    xf details. nice images

    edited to add: possible tooling
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    Where do you see the tooling? Agree with the XF net grade but I don't see any tooling.

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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>.
    xf details. nice images

    edited to add: possible tooling
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    Where do you see the tooling? Agree with the XF net grade but I don't see any tooling. >>

    I see harsh cleaning on the obverse, and a planchet flaw on the reverse (under ES in STATES), but no tooling either. Anyone else chime in on this?

    You actually give it a "net" XF grade?
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭
    Bump.

    Any other observations?
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    she's microencephaltic?

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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>she's microencephaltic? >>

    And what is that?!? image

    My dislikes about the coin are:

    1. overall lack of original surfaces.
    2. heavy scrubbing or possibly very light tooling on the obverse in the field behind Miss Liberty's head.
    3. planchet flaw on the reverse below the "ES" in States.
    4. small nick in the mint mark.

    Does anyone else see other distractions?

    I like most of the rest of the coin. This particular issue is pretty tough to come by (about 200 examples remain extant), and I don't have an unlimited budget. A problem-free example would likely cost twice what I paid for this (perhaps even more). Down the road I can probably upgrade to a better example, but I believe for now that I'll keep this one, problems and all. That year and mint (Dahlonega) are just too historic to pass up right now.

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Down the road I can probably upgrade to a better example, but I believe for now that I'll keep this one, problems and all.

    Doug Winter just posted this one on his site:

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    It may not be for you, but I recommend buying the "final coin" in the first place. From personal experience, when I have bought the "compromise coin" and later upgraded, it has not been financially to my benefit doing so. Problem coins can be a problem to sell!
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It may not be for you, but I recommend buying the "final coin" in the first place. From personal experience, when I have bought the "compromise coin" and later upgraded, it has not been financially to my benefit doing so. Problem coins can be a problem to sell! >>

    Good points, Robert... That's a great example that Doug has up for sale. It's very tempting, but I'm afraid that if I purchased it though my wife would have a fit! image
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    sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It may not be for you, but I recommend buying the "final coin" in the first place. From personal experience, when I have bought the "compromise coin" and later upgraded, it has not been financially to my benefit doing so. Problem coins can be a problem to sell! >>



    Agreed.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks minimally finer in details than Doug's coin. Overall though I'd say those 2 coins are at least full grade difference in price.

    I'd rather have a problem free VF20 than a scrubbed up XF40.
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even matte-like surfaces show but a few light hairlines. These distract little. Rather one's attention is drawn to a shimmering translucent orange haze which consistently draws shivers from those wth the chance to see it in hand. A net grade of VF for the details is conservatively assigned. The disappointment of the weak star definition and lack of a wire-rim preclude a more optimistic appraisal whatever its other, in many ways superior, merits.
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Even matte-like surfaces show but a few light hairlines. These distract little. Rather one's attention is drawn to a shimmering translucent orange haze which consistently draws shivers from those wth the chance to see it in hand. A net grade of VF for the details is conservatively assigned. The disappointment of the weak star definition and lack of a wire-rim preclude a more optimistic appraisal whatever its other, in many ways superior, merits. >>

    I assume you're referring to Doug's coin, right? She's a beauty, for sure...
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought I'd described the first one in the parlance of its coming auction appearance.
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    cameron12xcameron12x Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I thought I'd described the first one in the parlance of its coming auction appearance. >>

    You're referring to the first coin in this thread?
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    coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭
    XF details worth VF money
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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought about picking up that 39-D in Doug's inventory. Would go nice with my 39-P.

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Once again, I implore this community to come up with a "sarcasm" emoticon.
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    mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭
    I placed one in NGC MS-64 when I was at Heritage a million years ago. The fellow died and I'm not sure what became of the coin. I would have liked to get that one back

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    mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,862 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Once again, I implore this community to come up with a "sarcasm" emoticon. >>




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