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Grade POSTED...... 1853/2 $10 gold coin.....

DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
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updated post----March 6, 2013-----Just received the grade....PCGS AU58 -----




old post.........
Updated pics as I just received the coin and these are my pics. (second set of pics are from seller). Any thoughts will be appreciated....

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    ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    I like the split rim around the bottom of the obverse and the cuds are cool too. Maybe a late die state for the issue? I like the fact that this is a piece that can be used as a means of identification as well. Nice coin.
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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭✭
    AU58? Gold isn't my area of expertise, mind you... image
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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭
    AU53
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,779 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is that a test mark at 11:00 on the reverse?

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    DRJTCDRJTC Posts: 54
    53
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is that a test mark at 11:00 on the reverse? >>



    If 'test mark' means a file mark then I would say probably 'no'.

    Most likely just a 'nick' that was incurred post mint.

    From the PCGS price guide webpage...here's a PCGS au55 for reference (notice the same kind of 'test mark') so I'm feeling fairly confident mine should grade and not be deemed 'genuine' (for rim damage).

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    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭
    55
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,779 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AU53 >>

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    lavalava Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭
    I don't collect this series, but to me it has the eye appeal of a 62 or 63. I sure don't see 53.
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    53 if it doesn't gen for cleaning. 55+ detail. I'm suspicious of the bright areas around Liberty and especially on the reverse. The 55 pictured appears much frostier and more wholesome. I don't recall trhis date or variety coming with semi-PL surfaces.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love image the AU-58 in my type set for the AU-58 grade. My coin is the "normal date" piece, and I cannot speak to the over date status of this piece of this piece, and the value.

    From the picture I am not a fan of this piece because the fields look like they have been smoothed in spots. I will try to post my AU-58 here to show an original surface piece.

    ... Sorry, I can not do it ... I agree with the previous post ... I do not like the bright areas.
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    coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭
    AU details cleaned
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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    It looks like a scan, hard for me to say.......
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    darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Looks to be uncirculated but has been cleaned or at least rubbed at one point in it's life. I still thinks it's nice enough to grade 60-61. Not good enough to 62 and I think it has enough MS qualities that au58 is not the right grade either.
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    Yukoncornelius1Yukoncornelius1 Posts: 654 ✭
    I like how boldly you can see the overdate, as for the coin's grade I would have to say PCGS Gen. AU-55 cleaned. The scan might be giving the impression that the coin has been cleaned which might not be the case.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm having difficulty grasping the view that my coin looks cleaned or has 'suspicious bright areas'.

    When you compare it to the PCGS website's coin (the second picture) the coins are quite identical if and only when you consider the fact that the pictures were taken under different lighting conditions.

    The 'light areas' of the first picture (obv - around the stars; rev - around 'united ten d america' and surrounding the lower half of the egle's border) is just unmarked 'frost' surfaces which can be found on the PCGS coin which is located on the obv - date area, first star, sixth to tenth star; rev - around 'ten d and states and surrounding most of the eagle's border.

    These areas on both coins exhibit (to me) a strong similarity.

    The visual appearance looks different only because of the photographic lighting used.
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    mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    Send it in and lets see what it gets!
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    new updated pics.....

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    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Is the line (scratch?) from the tip of the nose to the ear on the coin or holder?
    Wear looks to me to be minimum, but lots of bag marks. I would guess AU58.
    The coin sure looks bright in the pics. Maybe dipped?
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    sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭
    AU det
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    definitely dipped- clear it is not original. There seems to be a light obverse scratch that goes across the portrait- I suspect that could be an issue that may prevent it from being graded.

    Personally, I have seen worse examples graded. I just do not see this on the high end of the AU range. From the image, I see 53 tops

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would grade it AU-50 and no higher.

    Here is my example in AU-58, and I fully agree with the grade.

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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    AU55 details

    AU58 net graded down to 55 for bag marks and then detail graded for the scratch on Lib's Cheek. I still like it as a coin and good luck, it might get a grade if the staple scratch is old and doesn't refract extra light.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AU55 details

    AU58 net graded down to 55 for bag marks and then detail graded for the scratch on Lib's Cheek. I still like it as a coin and good luck, it might get a grade if the staple scratch is old and doesn't refract extra light. >>



    I only noticed the scratch after I took the picture as it picks up the light in just the way to highly define it.

    I'll probably send it to PCGS soon.
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grade just received....PCGS AU58
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    Not the nicest 58 out there but a score for sure. That's a pricy coin in that grade, congrats!
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    stevebensteveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks like you did very well! gold is difficult to photo, i think. with that grade, i imagine it looks much nicer in hand. it does appear to be lightly cleaned, but that could just be the photos.

    i think it's interesting that both your piece and billjones' piece have a similar looking pin scratch across the cheek to the ear.
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    IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Just an FYI, not wanting to cause trouble -- the "1853/2" is one of those overdates that is
    not absolutely definite. The lines in the lower part of the 3 do not match exactly with a 2.
    It is possible that 10 years from now it will be in the same situation as the "1869/8" Indian
    Head cent.

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