............................and now, for those who think these Toned Nickels are legitimate.

keets · August 26, 2012 9:45AM

They are scheduled for auction at TT on Monday and from MyLoftyPerch strain credibility, but that's just me. These are embarrassing.

Al H.

rainbowroosie · August 26, 2012 9:48AM

I have no problem with the 70S -- had a proof set with a similarly toned coin inside it.

Jinx86 · August 26, 2012 9:55AM

quite a few of those look like coins that Ive cut from mint sets, but have never sent in. My guess is the sets I had were not properly stored, who knows those could all be legit or just one or two.

OldEastside · August 26, 2012 9:58AM

Contarary to belief, the early 60's blues, I've seen on many occasions
at many B&M's in the past, accually I would stay away from those sets
as they were pretty common, as some dealers said the Nickel would
react with being stored in the sunlight, who knows, but for being rare
I can say I've seen thousands and I hav'nt looked at that many.

Steve

coinsarefun · August 26, 2012 10:00AM

I have seen many that look like the ones posted. Especially if they were stored in a Capital Holder.
Most if not all look natural IMO.

And some very nice ones at that I may add

Zoins · August 26, 2012 10:07AM

I thought PCGS doesn't slab the blue ones any more?

Did they stop slabbing these because the toning was created by:

(a) Capital holders
(b) sunlight or
(c) doctors?

keets · August 26, 2012 10:25AM

while i have found some nicely toned coins in cello and Capital Sets i will only state what experience has taught me-----the blue monochrome Nickels are widely accepted as AT, purple on a Nickel is generally a bad sign and "glossy" is mostly to be avoided. going with the KeetsCrieteria i would say:

1. bad on all counts.
2-5. probably from the MartyHorde.
6 & 8. the "Match-head" effect.
7 & 9. the closest to being legitimate, but the overall gold tone and inclusion with the others would push me away.

Zoins · August 26, 2012 10:29AM

<< 1. bad on all counts. >>

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<< 2-5. probably from the MartyHorde.

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<< 6 & 8. the "Match-head" effect. >>

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<< 7 & 9. the closest to being legitimate, but the overall gold tone and inclusion with the others would push me away. >>

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<< 6 & 8. the "Match-head" effect. >>

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<< 7 & 9. the closest to being legitimate, but the overall gold tone and inclusion with the others would push me away. >>

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mrpotatoheadd · August 26, 2012 10:29AM

I have seen probably a couple dozen similar blue proofs over the years and owned three or four raw ones. None of them were priced outlandishly or hyped for their color at the time I saw them available for sale.

FWIW...

Zoins · August 26, 2012 10:33AM

OTOH...

I've seen a blue one in a PCGS slab that Marty said was (a) not his and (b) likely doctored go for ~6x PCGS Price Guide after being hyped for its color. He said his were not as wildly toned as the allegedly AT ones.

Kaelasdad · August 26, 2012 10:34AM

Ive cut many like this from sealed sets and some even more colorful. Youre off the mark on these keets

keets · August 26, 2012 10:46AM

Ive cut many like this from sealed sets and some even more colorful. Youre off the mark on these keets

i respect your opinion and accept that they do indeed come in Sets legitimately to a small degree. i would just add that i have a little experience with toned Jefferson Nickels as well as intact Proof Sets from the era and Capital Holdered Sets. i have come to certain opinions on which are legitimate and which are questionable based on that experience. i had hoped to share some of what i've learned.

excuse the pixilation in the top picture, but you should get the idea. with the bottom coin, i've found similar looking coins in a PCGS holder, ANACS holder and an intact Set(though the bottom picture doesn't show the color very well). i've come to understand how the coin(s) toned.

Broadstruck · August 26, 2012 10:58AM

This thread could use a lil theme music

SeattleSlammer · August 26, 2012 11:00AM

Like wildly toned ASEs the grading companies will slab just about any proof Jeff regardless of how much it strains credibility.

SeattleSlammer · August 26, 2012 11:16AM

<< This thread could use a lil theme music

>>

Awesome on so many levels.

Edscoin · August 26, 2012 11:30AM

<< while i have found some nicely toned coins in cello and Capital Sets i will only state what experience has taught me-----the blue monochrome Nickels are widely accepted as AT, purple on a Nickel is generally a bad sign and "glossy" is mostly to be avoided. going with the KeetsCrieteria i would say:

1. bad on all counts.
2-5. probably from the MartyHorde.
6 & 8. the "Match-head" effect.
7 & 9. the closest to being legitimate, but the overall gold tone and inclusion with the others would push me away. >>

Keets when I saw these I thought about the Marty Hoard!

lkeigwin · August 26, 2012 11:37AM

<< while i have found some nicely toned coins in cello and Capital Sets i will only state what experience has taught me-----the blue monochrome Nickels are widely accepted as AT, purple on a Nickel is generally a bad sign and "glossy" is mostly to be avoided. going with the KeetsCrieteria i would say:

1. bad on all counts.
2-5. probably from the MartyHorde.
6 & 8. the "Match-head" effect.
7 & 9. the closest to being legitimate, but the overall gold tone and inclusion with the others would push me away. >>

Perfect.

I also think they will do quite well on TT.
Lance.

Lehigh96 · August 26, 2012 11:41AM

I am not sure why it matters. None of these coins are really high value coins. If someone likes the toning, questionable or not, they should buy the coins. I don't collect proof Jeffersons, do these really drive a big premium? I thought they were very common.

mkman123 · August 26, 2012 11:56AM

Pcgs needs to own up if they slabbed ATd coins!!! If these were in ngc slabs the kool aid drinkers would be all over ngcs butt

coinbuf · August 26, 2012 12:10PM

<< Pcgs needs to own up if they slabbed ATd coins!!! If these were in ngc slabs the kool aid drinkers would be all over ngcs butt >>

So true

darktone · August 26, 2012 12:19PM

I bought like 50-60 of these nickels in the mint cellophane from Val Webb a few years back. Like pink and green one pictured later in the thread. I have no question they were NT.

pennyannie · August 26, 2012 12:39PM

A few look questionable to me but i have quite a few proof nickels with a nice blue shimmer that i have no reason to suspect they are AT'd. The darker blue ones maybe but not the lighter ones. I have bought nickels for years and for as little as i paid for them i would be surprised that anyone took the time to AT them.

I have a few sets of nickels in the large capital plastic holders that i put together many years ago. I have noticed that the nickels closest to the screws will tone at a much faster rate thAN the ones in the middle. Is that called AT? IMO some proof nickels with tone a different color depending on the years. 1968's like to go toward blue, 72's seem to favor champange etc.

stman · August 26, 2012 12:58PM

I recall years ago those ones in the older PCGS holders with series and coin numbers showed up in big quantity right here on this board. There was a bunch that were being sold by a couple board members. You could even pick your color. I believe they were going in the $200.00- 300.00 range. Then they started sending them to an ebay seller to dump them it seemed like to me. So, to those that say they are cheap what's it matter? Well, I'm sure there are some folks out there with a bad taste from these. I believe there were a couple different sources for these, and of course stories to go with them.

darktone · August 26, 2012 1:01PM

I think that was the Mad Marty hoard.

keets · August 26, 2012 1:18PM

I think that was the Mad Marty hoard.

the PCGS coins pictured are from that group which surfaced at the Baltimore ANA(2003 i believe) and initially sold on the floor for $200 and they held steady for a while till the fever subsided. the TPG's came to their senses and stopped encapsulating them yet they still sell around $100-$200 if they're graded PR/PF67-68. it seems that PCGS will now encapsulate some of them. as many have mentioned, toned coins can be found in Proof Sets, but there is a difference in the tone which is obvious.

Elcontador · August 26, 2012 1:19PM

<< I recall years ago those ones in the older PCGS holders with series and coin numbers showed up in big quantity right here on this board. There was a bunch that were being sold by a couple board members. You could even pick your color. I believe they were going in the $200.00- 300.00 range. Then they started sending them to an ebay seller to dump them it seemed like to me. So, to those that say they are cheap what's it matter? Well, I'm sure there are some folks out there with a bad taste from these. I believe there were a couple different sources for these, and of course stories to go with them. >>

Except for the golden 1964, to je govno. They remind me of the neon blue IHCs referenced above. Shylock illustrated legitimate PF IHC toning. It was on the devices, which were raised and mixed with the sulfur-laden tissue in which said PF IHCs were packaged.

A slight blue tint on a nickel imo doesn't curse the coin. One with bright neon colors is a different matter.

WestySteve · August 26, 2012 3:04PM

<< Ive cut many like this from sealed sets and some even more colorful. Youre off the mark on these keets >>

x2...it is not an uncommon thing for nickels to turn like that if they are proof. But if they are BU...that is another matter entirely. I don't know why either...maybe has to do with how they prepare the planchette???

MadMarty · August 26, 2012 10:40PM

All the ones I had (sand sold to a dealer) were slabbed by PCGS.

lordmarcovan · August 26, 2012 10:40PM

Maybe a couple of those were baked.

So what, they're still purdy.

And they're Jefferson nickels, anyway, so who cares.

georgiacop50 · August 27, 2012 1:43AM

The 68 & 70 are likely "real".

NumbersUsacom · August 27, 2012 1:52AM

The 68 is Uber Cool !!

Cocoinut · August 27, 2012 2:04AM

I worked in a coin shop 30 years ago, where we bought hundreds of proof sets every month. It wasn't uncommon to see sets from the early 1960's with vividly toned nickels. Almost without exception, these sets had been poorly stored, with torn envelopes and pliofilm that had been bent or otherwise damaged so that the coins were no longer completely protected. I actually sold them at a discount, as the cents were frequently splotchy, and the silver coins would tarnish (tarnished, or "toned" coins were not popular with most collectors at the time). Therefore, I wouldn't be too quick to label the coins in the OP as AT.

Jim

SanctionII · August 27, 2012 3:15AM

With respect to toned nickels in flat pack proof sets from 1955-1964, can anyone explain (or offer plausible theories) why nickels from the 1960's (mostly 1961, 62, 63 and 64) can have a wide variety of colorful toning, while nickels from 1955-1959 rarely have any toning?

I have seen and/or owned 1960's OGP flat pack proof sets with countless colorfully toned nickels. The 1955-1959 OGP flat pack proof sets I have seen and/or owned have almost always contained nickels that are untoned or that are light golden in color (though I did find and buy a 1959 OGP set containing a nickel with a light blue/purple tone).

telephoto1 · August 27, 2012 3:34AM

I too have seen/owned a number of nicely toned nickels from the 61-64 range and that blue/gold/russet palette seems rather tied to that period, with a few exceptions...
Perhaps someone can verify this- but some time ago I had heard a story about the mint having changed suppliers for nickel planchets at about that time, and different qualities in the metal accounted for the toning (which as I understand started happening rather quickly)... can anyone else corroborate this?

Oh, and for the record I pretty well like the coins in question as NT, except possibly that first 1959...it seems almost too electric (but I like it!).

keets · August 27, 2012 11:20AM

i somehow missed this 1957 which is currently at $100!!

as of 9:15 PM the coins listed on page one are bid as follows:
1. $110
2. $200
3. $200
4. $140
5. $100
6. $200
7. $100
8. $120
9. $100

braddick · August 27, 2012 11:43AM

^
Those all appear to be Teletrade/consignor reserves.
(Could be wrong- just seems odd the dollar amounts are so even across the board.)

braddick · August 27, 2012 2:21PM

The PCGS coins didn't sell.
I was the winner of the ANACS 1970-S.

I love the look of that coin!

(Also won the 1982-S nicely toned Washington commemorative along with a super lustrous 1959 NGC MS66 Franklin half.)

Zoins · August 27, 2012 4:43PM

Here are the TT realized prices:

1) 1959 ANACS PF63 6S 2493257 - $140
2) 1961 PCGS PR68 71765668 - Not Sold
3) 1962 PCGS PR68 71765698 - Not Sold
4) 1963 PCGS PR67 71765644 - $150
5) 1963 ANACS PF66 5.5S 2490265 - $130
6) 1964 PCGS PR68 71765747 - Not Sold
7) 1964 ANACS PF64 5S 2493264 - $100
8) 1968-S ANACS PF68 6S 2485274 - $150
9) 1970-S ANACS PF65 6S 2493281 - $130
10) 1957 ANACS PF64 6S 2493256 - $130

............................and now, for those who think these Toned Nickels are legitimate.

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