That is why that original ST offer of PCGS 70's at $239 was a no brainer....freakin duh! moment.....wish I had gone all in on that one....but I was a tad stretched with everything coming due at once..only got 4 sets
Should have gone all in.......especially since my Mint sets came with free bullet holes in the proofs.....
My plan was to buy 3 sets and keep them sealed, and pick up a set of PCGS 70s. I did poorly with the self-submit game on last year's set.
I missed the initial ST offer, but grabbed a PCGS multiholder from them for $289 (sold out in a day or 2). I grimaced at the price then, but they are heading past $400 now.
At last check *MEX has 5 sets (flag holder) left for $349 each (I grabbed a set). That count was over 20 yesterday.
MCM has a private offer for $369, which may be sold out by now.
It doesn't do anything for me...I think it would have looked better with one top center label instead of now looking like two slabs just stuck together
Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks
Info. I have from a "source" is the counter may be 20% to the high side. Final numbers likely won't be in until start of 2013. If you have extra sets, is the set a sell or hold? My best guess is HOLD...and we haven't even started talking about possible varieties.
<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks >>
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof???
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<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks >>
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof??? >>
Yes My RP coin has Nicks all over it and its not worth submitting (Just a story) Now can I still send in my S Proof? As I do not see anything on the web site saying that both coins must be submitted together to get the 75th Anniversary labels.
<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks >>
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof??? >>
Yes My RP coin has Nicks all over it and its not worth submitting (Just a story) Now can I still send in my S Proof? As I do not see anything on the web site saying that both coins must be submitted together to get the 75th Anniversary labels. >>
I submitted non-paired sets. All accepted fine.
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<< <i>I just received a few of the 2012 Making American History coin and currency sets. I opened one. I have to say that I really like it. It's a great set. >>
I just saw these on Coin Vault.
Only $109.95 ea.
Maybe I should order some?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks >>
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof??? >>
Yes My RP coin has Nicks all over it and its not worth submitting (Just a story) Now can I still send in my S Proof? As I do not see anything on the web site saying that both coins must be submitted together to get the 75th Anniversary labels. >>
From what I have read you can't send the C & C proof in for that (C & C) label unless it is in a sealed box....prevents getting the wrong designation on the label
But...you can open the C & C set and send it that proof for the 75th label instead which would be ....the wrong designation
From what I have read you can't send the C & C proof in for that (C & C) label unless it is in a sealed box....prevents getting the wrong designation on the label
But...you can open the C & C set and send it that proof for the 75th label instead which would be ....the wrong designation
Makes perfect sense to me.... >>
Ok got a note telling me they would accept the shrink wrap on the CC sets, and he also said this..............(In order to submit the 75th Anniversay coins to get the "set" designation, the coins must be together. If they're not together only the reverse proof coin will say "75th Anniversary"..............So that clears that up too...........Good luck all on your grades..............
<< <i>From what I have read you can't send the C & C proof in for that (C & C) label unless it is in a sealed box....prevents getting the wrong designation on the label
But...you can open the C & C set and send it that proof for the 75th label instead which would be ....the wrong designation
Makes perfect sense to me.... >>
Ok got a note telling me they would accept the shrink wrap on the CC sets, and he also said this..............(In order to submit the 75th Anniversay coins to get the "set" designation, the coins must be together. If they're not together only the reverse proof coin will say "75th Anniversary"..............So that clears that up too...........Good luck all on your grades.............. >>
I have various numbers from my recent submissions and 30% is really good for PCGS on these sets. So I ask, how can NGC grade the same coins at 65% to 70% PF70's. I know this for a fact as I have NGC dealer friends that have shared their results. The PCGS First 70's are going to be really good for those who have them. If you can afford it, hang on to these for a little bit.
Until the numbers are published by NGC the "dealer friends" results are just a small sample.....Comments should wait until the true data is published
and....
<< <i> I have various numbers from my recent submissions and 30% is really good for PCGS on these sets. >>
The numbers from PCGS for the 2011 RP/PF's was right around 50% 70's ...and most of those were sent in sight unseen...(and the 2010 PF is right around the same percentage)
<< <i>I just received a few of the 2012 Making American History coin and currency sets. I opened one. I have to say that I really like it. It's a great set. >>
I just saw these on Coin Vault.
Only $109.95 ea.
Maybe I should order some? >>
Quite a bargain huh? I don't recall them reselling original Mint products for such a margin when they are still available from the Mint. Seems like they might be concerned about ticking off their customers when they find out.
Gold and silver are valuable but wisdom is priceless.
The RP 2012 FS 75TH Anniv. ASE will be the suprise coin in the set as far as a nice value once most of the coins sent to PCGS are finally graded. As it has been stated here already, the 70 PF grade are coming in at about 33% early on on both coins. Many like, the ones I submitted had been pre-graded before being submitted. This shows the lack of quality. Next, I understand that after the USM accepted say 150,000 orders for this 2012 set, they stated that the shipping date for the remaining 101,000 sets will be post-FS date. The huge bullion-collector coin dealers have already told us or have inferred that their offerings of "FS" 2012 PF 25th coins of theirs will be much more limited than they originally thought. This suggests a nice future possible appreciation. Lastly, the lack of PF 70 2012 "S" ASE will be supplemented with those coming from the 2012 C&C sets that are being graded by PCGS. Some members of this Forum have said the the quality of the 2012 S PF in the C&C set look to be very high. The USM stated that they plan to offer no more than 100,000 of these 2012 C&C sets with only half being shipped early on.This makes the FS RP coin look even rarer. Lastly, I ponder how many collectors/dealers may cancel the post FS sets when the current set prices are coming down to a break even price if liquidated on Ebay today and FS is gone. If there are many cancellations of the later sets, then the sales/mintage may be considerably less than the 250,000 2006 20th Anniv. sets where the 70 grade was approx. 50%. Please comment.....
<< <i>The biggest submission was 40 coins: 6 were 70s. >>
This is probably mine as I had a invoice with 40 sets for the Flag Mercanti and only 6 RP's got 70 and 10 Pr's got 70. Although not at all PCGS's fault(the mint did a really poor job on these), but very disappointing. If you have 70's dont rush to sell them as I think once the grading results become common knowledge these things will climb.
Here's a fun fact: Of the 27 different ASE regular proofs, the 2012-S proof will have the 2nd lowest mintage--only the 95-W is lower. And, of all 60+ different ASE's, only the 08/07, 95-W, 11-S and RP's are lower. My conclusion, the 2012-S should grow in value over time
I would assume it was ordered from Silvertowne or similar at a MUCH lower price (I got 4 sets at $239)....or they have brass stones and submitted a bunch for grading themselves...I would go with the former
Has anyone received their 2012 two-coin PF Sets from the USM recently. Are all of the first batch with 7/27/12 shipping dates been shipped /received ? Thanks.
So, are we getting to the end of the 150,000 7/27/12 shipping date sets being delivered? Will this be close to the end of PCGS "FS" submissions ? That seems premature. Comments.....
I received my C&C sets last Wednesday...already ATS. As for the 75th, I'm guessing they're working on ~45-55K delivered. The Mint rep. told me there has been a "high return rate that has slowed shipment."
Finally got all my single sealed boxes 3 days ago. All ordered early first day. Are subsequent days orders shipped? Whats the latest orders that have been received?
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Food For Thought ..... Today, PCGS Pops for each of the two San Francisco PF ASEs are still coming in at 33% for the 70's. Though the USM stated that 251,000 sets had been ordered, many will probably not be shipped out until after the first 30 days (FS period). If that ends up being the case, then the 2012 FS Pops and FS PF70's count maybe much more in line with the lower mintage 2011 25th Anniv, PF 70 FS Pop numbers of last year. It was said that shipments of the 2012 sets have slowed down because there are so many inferior/rejected sets being returned to the USM. All this affects the potential number of possible PCGS FS of all PF grades in the end. I never realized until now how many factors can lower the actual "First Strike" Population. We all count on the scarcity of 70 grade and FS designation. Therefore a higher coin mintage does not necessarily mean a more plentiful "FS" or PF70 final count. The major modern coin dealers I believe have already come to this same conclusion and will price their PCGS PF 70 FS and maybe even PF69 FS coins higher in the future. Comments.....
There is also the issue that the POP for FS is not a finite number since all the sealed boxes out there received up to the cut off date will be FS eligible....ER has a cut off date that they must be received by....nothing after that..including sealed boxes..
I guess FS is more appropriate since the coins in those sealed boxes are just as appropriate as the ones sent earlier...it's just that one can't say "there were only xxx FS 70/69 coins graded" without adding "as of today"
I think that the ratio of 70 to 69 is almost as important as the total pop. With the poor quality, and the fact that unopened boxes won't be screened, the FS ratio number should improve over time.
BIG A, I agree with you that there will be several potential "FS" 2012 S PF coins/sets lingering out there for months/years to come. But this situation is no different than the 2011 and 2006 Anniv. sets after they were shipped. One significant difference in 2012 sets and the earlier years is that most people are stating that the 2012 have a much greater tendency to be "Junky" which I don't remember hearing in previous years. Also, with 2012 FS PF69 sets selling at breakeven prices on Ebay and the present economy is worse that in 2006 and 2011, I think fewer 2012 sets will be submitted for grading unless prices move significantly higher. Comments......
<< <i>Food For Thought ..... Today, PCGS Pops for each of the two San Francisco PF ASEs are still coming in at 33% for the 70's. Though the USM stated that 251,000 sets had been ordered, many will probably not be shipped out until after the first 30 days (FS period). If that ends up being the case, then the 2012 FS Pops and FS PF70's count maybe much more in line with the lower mintage 2011 25th Anniv, PF 70 FS Pop numbers of last year. It was said that shipments of the 2012 sets have slowed down because there are so many inferior/rejected sets being returned to the USM. All this affects the potential number of possible PCGS FS of all PF grades in the end. I never realized until now how many factors can lower the actual "First Strike" Population. We all count on the scarcity of 70 grade and FS designation. Therefore a higher coin mintage does not necessarily mean a more plentiful "FS" or PF70 final count. The major modern coin dealers I believe have already come to this same conclusion and will price their PCGS PF 70 FS and maybe even PF69 FS coins higher in the future. Comments..... >>
My understanding is, that the entire US Mints "first run" of approx 150,000 sets will be delivered in time for a FS designation. The remaining 100k will not.
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The Coin Vault just raised their asking price for the raw 2012 S two coin PF set to $229.95 from $199.95. Interesting..... Of course, they only have a few sets left !!
Comments
Here's one over $420 with 3 hours to go:
PCGS 70 set
<< <i>I got less than 30 hits for PCGS 70 sets...hardly "flooded" >>
Search '2012 san silver' , get the 750 hits, that is "flooded".
Probably be over a thousand in a few days.
People are trying to cash in before the big drop in price.
The reply was to :
<< <i>A search on ebay under completed listings in 'Coins and paper money' for '75th pcgs 70' is interesting. >>
which I would assume meant 70 grade sets from PCGS ..not raw sets...not NGC sets...not baseball cards
<< <i>Not flooded with PCGS 70 sets...that search gives you every freakin san fran everything including baseball cards.
The reply was to :
<< <i>A search on ebay under completed listings in 'Coins and paper money' for '75th pcgs 70' is interesting. >>
which I would assume meant 70 grade sets from PCGS ..not raw sets...not NGC sets...not baseball cards >>
That's cool, no worries. Just trying to help fellow board members.
fyi, apmex has a few sets for sales.
That is why that original ST offer of PCGS 70's at $239 was a no brainer....freakin duh! moment.....wish I had gone all in on that one....but I was a tad stretched with everything coming due at once..only got 4 sets
Should have gone all in.......especially since my Mint sets came with free bullet holes in the proofs.....
oh well.....
I missed the initial ST offer, but grabbed a PCGS multiholder from them for $289 (sold out in a day or 2). I grimaced at the price then, but they are heading past $400 now.
At last check *MEX has 5 sets (flag holder) left for $349 each (I grabbed a set). That count was over 20 yesterday.
MCM has a private offer for $369, which may be sold out by now.
Joe
<< <i>I like the 2 coin multiholder.
Joe >>
It doesn't do anything for me...I think it would have looked better with one top center label instead of now looking like two slabs just stuck together
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
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<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof???
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<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof??? >>
Yes My RP coin has Nicks all over it and its not worth submitting (Just a story) Now can I still send in my S Proof? As I do not see anything on the web site saying that both coins must be submitted together to get the 75th Anniversary labels.
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
<< <i>That is why that original ST offer of PCGS 70's at $239 was a no brainer >>
who is ST?
Box of 20
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<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof??? >>
Yes My RP coin has Nicks all over it and its not worth submitting (Just a story) Now can I still send in my S Proof? As I do not see anything on the web site saying that both coins must be submitted together to get the 75th Anniversary labels.
I submitted non-paired sets. All accepted fine.
<< <i>I just received a few of the 2012 Making American History coin and currency sets. I opened one. I have to say that I really like it. It's a great set. >>
I just saw these on Coin Vault.
Only $109.95 ea.
Maybe I should order some?
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>Ok I have to ask, Has anyone after opening up there set, decided to just send in ONE coin because the other was not up to par? Does our host Require Both coins to be submitted together to get the 75 label? thanks
Just guessing but I would think the RP would be no problem since it does not exist anywhere else. The regular proof??? >>
Yes My RP coin has Nicks all over it and its not worth submitting (Just a story) Now can I still send in my S Proof? As I do not see anything on the web site saying that both coins must be submitted together to get the 75th Anniversary labels.
From what I have read you can't send the C & C proof in for that (C & C) label unless it is in a sealed box....prevents getting the wrong designation on the label
But...you can open the C & C set and send it that proof for the 75th label instead which would be ....the wrong designation
Makes perfect sense to me....
From what I have read you can't send the C & C proof in for that (C & C) label unless it is in a sealed box....prevents getting the wrong designation on the label
But...you can open the C & C set and send it that proof for the 75th label instead which would be ....the wrong designation
Makes perfect sense to me....
Ok got a note telling me they would accept the shrink wrap on the CC sets, and he also said this..............(In order to submit the 75th Anniversay coins to get the "set" designation, the coins must be together. If they're not together only the reverse proof coin will say "75th Anniversary"..............So that clears that up too...........Good luck all on your grades..............
I used to be famous now I just collect coins.
Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
<< <i>From what I have read you can't send the C & C proof in for that (C & C) label unless it is in a sealed box....prevents getting the wrong designation on the label
But...you can open the C & C set and send it that proof for the 75th label instead which would be ....the wrong designation
Makes perfect sense to me....
Ok got a note telling me they would accept the shrink wrap on the CC sets, and he also said this..............(In order to submit the 75th Anniversay coins to get the "set" designation, the coins must be together. If they're not together only the reverse proof coin will say "75th Anniversary"..............So that clears that up too...........Good luck all on your grades..............
Now THAT makes sense....
<< <i>There is no big drop in price. PCGS is grading 22% 70's. You tell me >>
I have 33% for the RP and 33.5% for the PF....still way down from recent normal
Prices are rising....
and....
<< <i> I have various numbers from my recent submissions and 30% is really good for PCGS on these sets. >>
The numbers from PCGS for the 2011 RP/PF's was right around 50% 70's ...and most of those were sent in sight unseen...(and the 2010 PF is right around the same percentage)
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<< <i>I just received a few of the 2012 Making American History coin and currency sets. I opened one. I have to say that I really like it. It's a great set. >>
I just saw these on Coin Vault.
Only $109.95 ea.
Maybe I should order some?
Quite a bargain huh? I don't recall them reselling original Mint products for such a margin when they are still available from the Mint. Seems like they might be concerned about ticking off their customers when they find out.
Click through the past few days submissions. Lots of 75th eagle sets there: mostly 69s.
I pulled 2 screen's worth of data: 80 coins total. The grade total (both coins):
70: 8
69: 64
68: 8
The biggest submission was 40 coins: 6 were 70s.
I know it's a small sample size, but all signs are pointing towards 70 being a tough grade for these. 10% of my sample were 70s.
<< <i>The biggest submission was 40 coins: 6 were 70s. >>
This is probably mine as I had a invoice with 40 sets for the Flag Mercanti and only 6 RP's got 70 and 10 Pr's got 70. Although not at all PCGS's fault(the mint did a really poor job on these), but very disappointing. If you have 70's dont rush to sell them as I think once the grading results become common knowledge these things will climb.
<< <i>I got less than 30 hits for PCGS 70 sets...hardly "flooded"
Here's one over $420 with 3 hours to go:
PCGS 70 set >>
Remember that one???
Check out the final selling price
Box of 20
I guess FS is more appropriate since the coins in those sealed boxes are just as appropriate as the ones sent earlier...it's just that one can't say "there were only xxx FS 70/69 coins graded" without adding "as of today"
<< <i>Food For Thought ..... Today, PCGS Pops for each of the two San Francisco PF ASEs are still coming in at 33% for the 70's. Though the USM stated that 251,000 sets had been ordered, many will probably not be shipped out until after the first 30 days (FS period). If that ends up being the case, then the 2012 FS Pops and FS PF70's count maybe much more in line with the lower mintage 2011 25th Anniv, PF 70 FS Pop numbers of last year. It was said that shipments of the 2012 sets have slowed down because there are so many inferior/rejected sets being returned to the USM. All this affects the potential number of possible PCGS FS of all PF grades in the end. I never realized until now how many factors can lower the actual "First Strike" Population. We all count on the scarcity of 70 grade and FS designation. Therefore a higher coin mintage does not necessarily mean a more plentiful "FS" or PF70 final count. The major modern coin dealers I believe have already come to this same conclusion and will price their PCGS PF 70 FS and maybe even PF69 FS coins higher in the future. Comments..... >>
My understanding is, that the entire US Mints "first run" of approx 150,000 sets will be delivered in time for a FS designation. The remaining 100k will not.
PR70 1019
RevPR70 1031