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1921-D walker VF or XF ?

SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Sorry for the washed out scans
but grade wise Vf or XF ?


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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    Very much a VF
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF to me.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF sharpness for sure, but if the coin looks like the scan, you could have a problem getting VF money because of cleaning.
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭

    mid-upper VF. surfaces don't look right.
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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cleaned VF
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    coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Breast detail looks XF but the coin looks odd, possible made in china?
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    JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    If that's a fake, that's a really good fake. VF for sure.
    Let's try not to get upset.
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    vf detail. Cant tell about the surfaces - looks cleaned but you say the scan makes it look washed out
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't see anything that says 'fake' other than some unusual discoloration in some areas, like above the T and between the B and E in LIBERTY, among others. The reverse relief looks a little flat, but I owe that to the scanner.
    Very close to XF details; cleaning, etc. aside, NGC would likely XF it, PCGS VF35.
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    tydyetydye Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭
    Price more than doubles in XF. Worth sending in that is for sure
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EF all day long- except it will likely not grade.

    The problem is the flat color and surfaces that show nothing in the way of lustre. It does have that sad look of being cleaned based on the color and lustre that has been stripped. A Walker with these details will have lustre. This one looks very flat with clear evidence that the flat lustre was the result of cleaning- Sorry

    How different does the coin look in hand from this image?

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    SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>EF all day long- except it will likely not grade.

    The problem is the flat color and surfaces that show nothing in the way of lustre. It does have that sad look of being cleaned based on the color and lustre that has been stripped. A Walker with these details will have lustre. This one looks very flat with clear evidence that the flat lustre was the result of cleaning- Sorry

    How different does the coin look in hand from this image? >>



    Has remaining luster especially on reverse, the scan just doesn't show nice and I couldnt get a good pic being busyall day.
    Looks much much nicer in hand .
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    CEOcoinshopcomCEOcoinshopcom Posts: 350 ✭
    PCGS...no grade
    NGC....VF cleaned
    ANACS... XF Cleaned
    PCI.... AU original surfaces
    ICG.. XG
    SEGS AU Cleaned Fivaz Stanton # br549
    ACG...MS70

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    michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    Thats not a vf, f15 details at best and I've seen f15's with more details in the dress and feathers that that even.

    Edited to add it obverse kinda looks tooled as well to me and reverse does have vf details but that as a whole does not make this a VF
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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned, VF details.

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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,491 ✭✭✭
    has xf details to me...image
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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yikes, that coin looks bleached...VF, and IMO if that ever made EF the graders were having a happy day (night?) of it.
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    au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    30
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Give it a acetone rinse and image it with a camera rather than a scanner and I think more will cone on the VF30 wagon.
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned VF at best
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thats not a vf, f15 details at best and I've seen f15's with more details in the dress and feathers that that even. >>

    If you can provide them, I predict you can sell them at F15 prices until you run out of money acquiring them (paying for them as F15, of course). But then, that's just me...

    edited to add...

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at the details of the 35 with the green CAC sticker- look at the details and the surfaces

    If the OP coin had surfaces like this, the coin would easily be a 40 prerhaps 45

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF... maybe less... Cheers, RickO
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love dealers who are these tough grader types, especially when they use the Greysheet to price their wares......bought this 21S as a strong Fine, and sold it to
    a knowledgeable forum member as a VF at a favorable price:

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thats not a vf, f15 details at best and I've seen f15's with more details in the dress and feathers that that even.

    Edited to add it obverse kinda looks tooled as well to me and reverse does have vf details but that as a whole does not make this a VF >>



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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll bet this coin looks much better in hand. To me the detail is at least 35 maybe 40.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Should have some luster in the protected areas of the coin to some degree, so I think it's been cleaned, dull, lifeless. But with that said it also displays some blemish free surfaces, no big hits or distracting marks. I would say high end vf. I like the coin for an album....image
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