Who wants to see one of the 1933 Double Eagles

CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭
edited April 25, 2018 5:52AM in U.S. Coin Forum

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting history behind this coin.

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin must be going to the auction block

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 40,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want to puke ... just seeing the date, nowadays.

  • CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭

    I agree with a lot of the statements above, however I am open minded and look forward to listening to this lecture. I view this opertunity as a chance for me to learn more about the history of the coin, the case & the law.

    I'm going to see if we can record the lecture, if we can would anyone be interested in watching it?

    @kranky

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 40,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Opportunity to be indoctrinated by the strong arm of the government ? No thanks. They confiscated and overruled the people that they're there to serve. And it's NOT a coin. When are the people going to "understand" this ? The G-force has spoken.

  • DCWDCW Posts: 4,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinZip said:
    I'm going to see if we can record the lecture, if we can would anyone be interested in watching it?

    Yea, if you record it post the video!
    I'm not sure how I feel about the Langbord case. Controversy will always be attached to the 1933 Double Eagle. I do believe (without any evidence) that if the Langbords turned over 10 coins, there are more hidden somewhere.
    I mean, does anyone really believe they gave ALL of them to the secret service??

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 19,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, I believe it. In for a penny, in for a pound

  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,199 ✭✭✭✭

    Coin Television will be there videotaping, and it will be available on Newman Portal after the PAN show. Note, there are two presentations, both will be taped.

  • PQueuePQueue Posts: 755 ✭✭✭

    RE:
    I have already read a book on this subject so I don't need some flunky government lawyer to tell me why what he did was right.
    Yep, have to agree, it's a pass.

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Government always around to remind us of the enormous power they have over things.

    What those guys said times 10

  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭✭

    Rats, lied to again...there is going to be no coin, just a lecture about the coin.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will this be a "tell" and "no show" for the coin? I saw one at the ANA Show in Denver last year...at least I think I did.

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  • coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭✭✭

    almost all the 1933 $10 indian golds were melted too

  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll bring a basket of rotten tomatoes with Greg's name on them!

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't need to see it. Pictures of this never meant to be released coin are very plentiful.

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  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2018 7:48PM

    $75 a plate.....I am afraid won't be able to keep the food :s

    I am settling with a couple of DC's silver)

  • RayboRaybo Posts: 4,484 ✭✭✭✭

    @TwoSides2aCoin said:
    I want to puke ... just seeing the date, nowadays.

    I agree with Joe...YAWN!
    I have seen the updates on this case so many times that I just want to puck my guts!

    :#

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 10,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't agree with the legal outcome !!! :(

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  • pocketpiececommemspocketpiececommems Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2018 3:48AM

    This will be hashed over and over but who in there right mind would turn over coins to the mint to ask if they were real. Who was their lawyers that suggest this route. Send them to pcgs in the first place . What would happen to one of the 1913 V nickels if one of the owners sent one to the Mint to see if it was real. :(

  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The audacity of this guy to 'go on tour' and tell a biased story on how the feds fleeced US citizens of their property is offensive. Love to be there just to ask the hard questions, but would not want to sit through the presentation to do so.

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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,875 ✭✭✭

    @CoinZip said:
    I agree with a lot of the statements above, however I am open minded and look forward to listening to this lecture. I view this opertunity as a chance for me to learn more about the history of the coin, the case & the law.

    I'm going to see if we can record the lecture, if we can would anyone be interested in watching it?

    @kranky

    I am interested.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 28,187 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pocketpiececommems said:
    This will be hashed over and over but who in there right mind would turn over coins to the mint to ask if they were real. Who was their lawyers that suggest this route. Send them to pcgs in the first place . What would happen to one of the 1913 V nickels if one of the owners sent one to the Mint to see if it was real. :(

    Yes, I agree. The only other person I knew who sent a coin to the Mint for authentication was a friend I knew when I lived in New Jersey. He had an 1893 Proof or Proof-like Morgan Dollar and got doubts in his head that it was genuine. This was in the 1970s before ANACS was really up and running. The mint had the coin for a long time before they sent it back stating that is was genuine.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 28,187 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:
    The audacity of this guy to 'go on tour' and tell a biased story on how the feds fleeced US citizens of their property is offensive. Love to be there just to ask the hard questions, but would not want to sit through the presentation to do so.

    Best, SH

    If I attended this travesty, I'd probably get escorted out by the gendarmes. I’d have a hard time sitting there quietly while this weasel explains to us how he had “hard evidence” that these coins were illegally taken from the mint. The short answer is, he has none. His side had a hand picked jury and endless public resources to spend on the case.

    No amount of BS from the government is going to make up for the fact they wasted tax payers’ money on prosecuting this case over an issue that posed no threat to our nation’s monetary system or national security. They can send out their mouthpieces to tell collectors the “wonderful stories” about these coins and show them off at the big conventions. The fact remains, government bullies confiscated the property, and my interest in seeing these coins that are now “public property” is nil.

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  • WashingtonianaWashingtoniana Posts: 280 ✭✭✭

    I thought the takeaway from the Langbord case was that the coins had never been "issued," so even though there were plausible stories about how they ended up in the safe deposit box without being stolen, they could never possibly have been owned by anyone other than the United States. Am I thinking about that right? I hoped for a different result. The government's approach seemed unwise and absurd. It speaks volumes that Greg Weiman is giving a talk about this "intriguing" story. In my opinion, he seems out of touch.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lecture from a government official. The same government that will not allow an audit of Fort Knox. I'll pass.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RE: "The same government that will not allow an audit of Fort Knox."

    Ft. Knox has been examined several times and nothing missing. FYI the indirect cost of physically inventorying gold bars would be enormous - and that would certainly represent a very real loss. There simple act of picking up a .999 gold bar and setting it immediately in another spot results in measurable loss of metal. Although most can be eventually recovered it creates immense weight and accounting problems -- the bar would no longer match inventory and require re-stamping or reforming.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Washingtoniana said:
    I thought the takeaway from the Langbord case was that the coins had never been "issued," so even though there were plausible stories about how they ended up in the safe deposit box without being stolen, they could never possibly have been owned by anyone other than the United States. Am I thinking about that right? I hoped for a different result. The government's approach seemed unwise and absurd. It speaks volumes that Greg Weiman is giving a talk about this "intriguing" story. In my opinion, he seems out of touch.

    Was it common practice to deliver coins to the cashier even before they had been blessed by the official assayer and the coiner notified?

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pocketpiececommems said:
    This will be hashed over and over but who in there right mind would turn over coins to the mint to ask if they were real. Who was their lawyers that suggest this route. Send them to pcgs in the first place . What would happen to one of the 1913 V nickels if one of the owners sent one to the Mint to see if it was real. :(

    Their lawyer was Barry Berke. IIRC he was involved with the Farouk coin. Essentially he gambled that CAFRA would work in his/the Langbords' favor. We all know how that turned out.

    Had they submitted them to PCGS, they would have shown up in the pop reports and the Govmint would have pressured PCGS to reveal the submitter's ID.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    RE: "Was it common practice to deliver coins to the cashier even before they had been blessed by the official assayer and the coiner notified?"

    Stamped pieces of gold were bullion - and only bullion - until the Coiner declared they complied with all laws for legal tender coinage AND they were then delivered to and accepted by the Cashier representing the Superintendent. There was no "monitization" or other bologna. No one 'blessed the coins' or any other silliness.

    Further, if the Coiner decided that some of the pieces did not, or no longer qualified as coins, then he could reclassify them as bullion. This was a common occurrence when there were extra pieces that did not fill a standard $5,000 bag. This happened in 1932 and lead to 42 1933 DE being pulled from the first production and added to the 1932 double eagles.

    [The Langboards were not permitted to present complete, relevant, and accurate information of procedures and operations in effect in the early 1930s. Thus the jury had to rely of false, misleading, and confused historical and US Mint operational speculations presented only by the Treasury Dept. That's all I'm going to say about the subject.]

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 6,391 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you have documents stating that 42 33 double eagles were added to 32 double eagle bags? If so that could cause a serious uproar in the numismatic community!

    @RogerB said:
    RE: "Was it common practice to deliver coins to the cashier even before they had been blessed by the official assayer and the coiner notified?"

    Stamped pieces of gold were bullion - and only bullion - until the Coiner declared they complied with all laws for legal tender coinage AND they were then delivered to and accepted by the Cashier representing the Superintendent. There was no "monitization" or other bologna. No one 'blessed the coins' or any other silliness.

    Further, if the Coiner decided that some of the pieces did not, or no longer qualified as coins, then he could reclassify them as bullion. This was a common occurrence when there were extra pieces that did not fill a standard $5,000 bag. This happened in 1932 and lead to 42 1933 DE being pulled from the first production and added to the 1932 double eagles.

    [The Langboards were not permitted to present complete, relevant, and accurate information of procedures and operations in effect in the early 1930s. Thus the jury had to rely of false, misleading, and confused historical and US Mint operational speculations presented only by the Treasury Dept. That's all I'm going to say about the subject.]

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Statements signed by the coiner. This was discussed in a Coin World article in 2010. Please look there.

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