Who wants to see one of the 1933 Double Eagles
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Very interesting history behind this coin.
Coin must be going to the auction block
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Sorry, but I still think that the Mint are the bad guys in this case.
https://coinweek.com/coin-shows/u-s-mint-senior-legal-counsel-greg-weinman-to-present-1933-gold-double-eagle-lecture/
What he said X 2
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In my opinion, and I am not a lawyer (nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night), the entire case involving the Switt Double Eagles, was a travesty.....totally conducted in a heavy handed manner by the government over, to them, a matter of principle. There was no evidence of theft. The existence of the coins was no threat to the monetary system. Cheers, RickO
I want to puke ... just seeing the date, nowadays.
Why would you be ...sorry?
You don't control the mint. The government controls the mint. You have no say in what the government ....um...er.... this is gonna get political so I better post a
CONFEDERATE coin.
I agree with a lot of the statements above, however I am open minded and look forward to listening to this lecture. I view this opertunity as a chance for me to learn more about the history of the coin, the case & the law.
I'm going to see if we can record the lecture, if we can would anyone be interested in watching it?
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Opportunity to be indoctrinated by the strong arm of the government ? No thanks. They confiscated and overruled the people that they're there to serve. And it's NOT a coin. When are the people going to "understand" this ? The G-force has spoken.
Yea, if you record it post the video!
I'm not sure how I feel about the Langbord case. Controversy will always be attached to the 1933 Double Eagle. I do believe (without any evidence) that if the Langbords turned over 10 coins, there are more hidden somewhere.
I mean, does anyone really believe they gave ALL of them to the secret service??
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Yes, I believe it. In for a penny, in for a pound
If it's one the coins the government confiscated, I'll pass.
I have already read a book on this subject so I don't need some flunky government lawyer to tell me why what he did was right.
Coin Television will be there videotaping, and it will be available on Newman Portal after the PAN show. Note, there are two presentations, both will be taped.
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I have already read a book on this subject so I don't need some flunky government lawyer to tell me why what he did was right.
Yep, have to agree, it's a pass.
Government always around to remind us of the enormous power they have over things.
What those guys said times 10
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Rats, lied to again...there is going to be no coin, just a lecture about the coin.
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Will this be a "tell" and "no show" for the coin? I saw one at the ANA Show in Denver last year...at least I think I did.
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almost all the 1933 $10 indian golds were melted too
I'll bring a basket of rotten tomatoes with Greg's name on them!
I don't need to see it. Pictures of this never meant to be released coin are very plentiful.
Pete
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I agree with Joe...YAWN!
I have seen the updates on this case so many times that I just want to puck my guts!
I'd like to see 10 1933 double Eagles returned to the Langbords
Martin
I don't agree with the legal outcome !!!
This will be hashed over and over but who in there right mind would turn over coins to the mint to ask if they were real. Who was their lawyers that suggest this route. Send them to pcgs in the first place . What would happen to one of the 1913 V nickels if one of the owners sent one to the Mint to see if it was real.
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The audacity of this guy to 'go on tour' and tell a biased story on how the feds fleeced US citizens of their property is offensive. Love to be there just to ask the hard questions, but would not want to sit through the presentation to do so.
Best, SH
I am interested.
Yes, I agree. The only other person I knew who sent a coin to the Mint for authentication was a friend I knew when I lived in New Jersey. He had an 1893 Proof or Proof-like Morgan Dollar and got doubts in his head that it was genuine. This was in the 1970s before ANACS was really up and running. The mint had the coin for a long time before they sent it back stating that is was genuine.
If I attended this travesty, I'd probably get escorted out by the gendarmes. I’d have a hard time sitting there quietly while this weasel explains to us how he had “hard evidence” that these coins were illegally taken from the mint. The short answer is, he has none. His side had a hand picked jury and endless public resources to spend on the case.
No amount of BS from the government is going to make up for the fact they wasted tax payers’ money on prosecuting this case over an issue that posed no threat to our nation’s monetary system or national security. They can send out their mouthpieces to tell collectors the “wonderful stories” about these coins and show them off at the big conventions. The fact remains, government bullies confiscated the property, and my interest in seeing these coins that are now “public property” is nil.
I thought the takeaway from the Langbord case was that the coins had never been "issued," so even though there were plausible stories about how they ended up in the safe deposit box without being stolen, they could never possibly have been owned by anyone other than the United States. Am I thinking about that right? I hoped for a different result. The government's approach seemed unwise and absurd. It speaks volumes that Greg Weiman is giving a talk about this "intriguing" story. In my opinion, he seems out of touch.
Lecture from a government official. The same government that will not allow an audit of Fort Knox. I'll pass.
RE: "The same government that will not allow an audit of Fort Knox."
Ft. Knox has been examined several times and nothing missing. FYI the indirect cost of physically inventorying gold bars would be enormous - and that would certainly represent a very real loss. There simple act of picking up a .999 gold bar and setting it immediately in another spot results in measurable loss of metal. Although most can be eventually recovered it creates immense weight and accounting problems -- the bar would no longer match inventory and require re-stamping or reforming.
Was it common practice to deliver coins to the cashier even before they had been blessed by the official assayer and the coiner notified?
Their lawyer was Barry Berke. IIRC he was involved with the Farouk coin. Essentially he gambled that CAFRA would work in his/the Langbords' favor. We all know how that turned out.
Had they submitted them to PCGS, they would have shown up in the pop reports and the Govmint would have pressured PCGS to reveal the submitter's ID.
RE: "Was it common practice to deliver coins to the cashier even before they had been blessed by the official assayer and the coiner notified?"
Stamped pieces of gold were bullion - and only bullion - until the Coiner declared they complied with all laws for legal tender coinage AND they were then delivered to and accepted by the Cashier representing the Superintendent. There was no "monitization" or other bologna. No one 'blessed the coins' or any other silliness.
Further, if the Coiner decided that some of the pieces did not, or no longer qualified as coins, then he could reclassify them as bullion. This was a common occurrence when there were extra pieces that did not fill a standard $5,000 bag. This happened in 1932 and lead to 42 1933 DE being pulled from the first production and added to the 1932 double eagles.
[The Langboards were not permitted to present complete, relevant, and accurate information of procedures and operations in effect in the early 1930s. Thus the jury had to rely of false, misleading, and confused historical and US Mint operational speculations presented only by the Treasury Dept. That's all I'm going to say about the subject.]
Do you have documents stating that 42 33 double eagles were added to 32 double eagle bags? If so that could cause a serious uproar in the numismatic community!
Statements signed by the coiner. This was discussed in a Coin World article in 2010. Please look there.