How much value do old holders add to a common coin?
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For example, if there’s a common coin, $100 worth, how much would a rare holder add to the coin’s value? Specifically PGCS Gen 2.1 & 2.2 holders & NGC Gen 2 & 2.1 holders. There’s no real price guide/official collector’s market for the holders. Thanks for anyone’s help! 
Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.
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Depending on the generation and brand of holder, there may be absolutely no added value at all. However, the liquidity of the coin might be improved substantially.
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Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.
Depending on the coin some OGH's definitely go for more as some are speculating on a plus grade if resubmitted. OGH CAC coins always sell well. I for one love these coins in my collection.
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Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.
OGH's are becoming the spotlight collectible, not the coin as time goes on.
If you are referring to the NGC White Label holders when mentioning gen 2.0 and 2.1, those pretty much always have a premium. For example, a common date Morgan in MS 63 or 64 ($50-$70 coin) will usually sell in the $175-$275 range (from the sales I have seen).
For PCGS 2.1 and 2.2, I have also seen a premium. However, it tends to be more modest for the common coins.
Take a look at some ebay sales as a few examples of each of these has sold in the past few months.
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Yes, and soon OBH's will follow.
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For NGC 2.0 white labels and for PCGS 2.1 ogh slabs with the sharp edges; I'd pay double sheet.
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For PCGS, the 1.0/1.1 "White label rattlers" and the 2.0 "Doily" are the premium drivers. The 2.1's and 2.2's do have a slight premium, but not significant.
Here's a very important rule to follow. Especially for the premium old holders...
Naturally, it's important to look at the coin as well. There was a time when some coins were dipped lifeless before being put into old green holders, and those coins are now overgraded. Arkansas commems, for example, come with spotted brown toning and were often dipped until they were lusterless before being slabbed; those coins are not gems by todays standards.
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I had an Arkansas that went bad in the holder. PCGS fixed for free.
I still decided to sell the coin from my collection.
I recently sold a blazing red MS64 09 VDB in an old Hallmark holder for well over sheet prices to an aficionado.
Naturally, it's important to look at the coin as well.
Roger that. I like OGHs, but frankly I think they were looser on large cents back then, and I have seen a number of them with surface issues that would likely genny if resubmitted today.
from my experience, they don't add any value, would rather have a + plus grade
For some, such as myself, the holder is not important. I would not pay a premium for the slab. Coins are my specific focus. I know others have an interest in older slabs and that is fine. Just not for me. Cheers, RickO
Some holders add a lot, Doilys, NGC Black holders and Regencys especially.
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Only the first generation black NGC slabs bring a premium. The more recent NGC black slabs add very little if any value.
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$0 to the average collector although some here certainly collect the slab / sticker and not the coin lol
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Nothing.
The marketplace says that you are totally wrong. They may not have any value to you but certain old slabs do add value to the coin in the marketplace. A first generation black NGC slab can easily add $2000 or more to the value of the coin it holds.
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That's OK. The "market place" is often wrong, too.
Your comments value the holder, only, and give little to the coin. That fictional "value" is only in the minds of slab collectors and not coin collectors.
Certainly collect plastic holders, bottle caps, beer can pull tabs or whatever catches your fancy, and enjoy the activity.
So the marketplace is wrong but you are right. Gotcha. LOL
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Nope. Both are right and both are wrong.
You presume the "marketplace" is valuing the holder; I prefer to value only the part that is meaningful to me, which is the coin.
I'd be willing to pay a modest premium for a doily or ngc no hologram fatty. This is probably why I don't own one of either.
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This is one of the few coins where the holder adds very little to the value.
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Some may even discount offer bc of holder damage, coin rotated, coin needs dip - so have to cover reholder / submittal costs.
I remember when PCGS and NGC were new companies and the holders were called coin coffins. I still only bought expensive coins in them as even then they brought much higher prices.
Electric toothbrush works wonders on the coin re-rotation
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I paid $100 for a common Morgan in a 63 holder (Doily) and would happily do it again, I for one like the older scarce holders.
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I am willing to pay up to 10% premium for the right coin in the right holder...
(would upgrade '35 to a rattler or OGH) *the rattler holders are thinner so 30 of them can fit nicely into Blue PCGS 20's box
What do you think Jason?
@Paradisefound nice old holders, and cool green bean 28-S! Very beautiful.
Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.
Yep let it vibrate/oscillate on the edge of the slab, you can get a coin to turn a full 360 degrees in the slab if you so desire.
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As long as the man in the canoe is properly attended to..
(But seriously lol that's a really great idea!)
The tooth brush thing really does work. One of the members on here had a video showing it.
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I wonder if other vibrating type devices would also work.
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