Lol ebay glitch for outbidding last minute
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Has anybody else figured out how to glitch eBay into winning your item by confusing the software to confuse the other bidder?
Ex:
Bob bids 10 dollars on coin.
Mary bids 15 dollars on coin.
Bob tries to bid 20 dollars last minute, only to find Mary has won, but lower than his 20 dollar bid.
It sells for a price he hasn't seen before, nor been offered the chance to bid higher. Bob looks back and sees the coin sold for less than 20 dollars despite his attempt to bid 20 dollars.
I can't be the only person to have figured this out.
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Mary bid $19.97, someone else was at 14.50. Last seconds a third party bids 19.65 and is outbid by Marys 19.97 bid. At the same time, Bob enters 20 bucks only seeing the 15 dollar bid while the 19.97 bid came in. Bid increments screwed Bob and not a glitch.
Mary only placed one bid of $15.
Edit: also, I'm not trolling, I'm legitimately wondering if anyone else has figured this out.
Nowhere near but I'm not gonna hand over the keys to the castle.
Please tell Mr Wizard .....
Bob's browser was slow with the bid post
That....
It's an actual exploit.. nothing to do with anything mentioned above.
Not gonna do 20 questions on this just curious if anyone else has successfully done this.
can you post a link to the auction. That will clarify what happened.
Bear in mind, also, that last second underbidder bids sometimes show up a bit further down the bidding history list.
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I don't know about that glitch, but I do know your sig line is way too much.
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A ninja turtle dancing to Tiffany's "I think We're Alone Now" is too much?
I have never seen it happen in more than 10,000 ebay auctions that I participated in.
That's even worse.
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LOL
Your bid has to be one increment above the previous high bid, so it sometimes will be sold to a lower bid.
There is a glitch in your 2nd green frog.
Previous "glitches" posted have been shown to be normal operations
I haven't seen another glitch to speak about.
I have not, but am interested to see the logic play out.
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Not a glitch at all, that's how the process works. Another bidder simply bid prior to you. Increase your max bid amount if you really want the item. Simple as that.
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I went through 1 bag of popcorn while waiting.
Do I need to make a 2nd batch?
Please tell me how this one happened. My sniper fired 12 seconds after e***o but only 1¢ higher and I won the auction. I have also lost auctions when I've bid later but not a full bid increment over. ?????
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If you click on "Show automatic bids" it may be easier to understand.
I have mentioned this "glitch" before and was called crazy(Im pretty tech savvy as someone who has been working in IT for 20 years, own an MSP and was a programmer for 8 years with a computer science degree..but call me crazy because you bought on ebay before and it didnt happen to you).
People correctly are blaming the bid increment as the culprit. But I think there is an error in the code preventing this from working as intended and as people seem to think it is working. If you enter a bid that EQUALS a previous bid then the behavior should be as everyone here claims it should be. The previous bidder should get the coin at that max bid.And I think that part is working correctly. If the CURRENT winning bid is a full increment less than your bid and is that bidders max bid, then your bid should register and win the coin. I think this too is working correctly. But there are scenarios where the Current winning bid, is not the current winning bidders max bid, but the difference between current bid and current bidders max bid is not a full increment, then you come in with a full increment over current bid but only a few cents over current bidders max bid, then software "glitch" happens and you get screwed. A blind max bid should not be blocked by the minimum increment parameter. Your winning bid is never accepted so its not in the history making this hard to prove. This scenario happened to me exactly 1 time and I posted about it. Let's use numbers near $100 as the base example with $5 as the minimum bid increment accepted.
Current winning bidder is winning at $93 which beats the previous bidders $88 max bid. The 93 is winning but their max bid behind the 93 is $101. This is the blind bid. When you go to bid, the bid box tells you that $98 is the minimum you can enter and you enter $102. Ebay should accept this bid and you should win the coin at $102. Instead because it is not a full increment higher than the $101, it is considered a bad bid and the coin is won for $101.
Again this has happened to me only 1 time. But I am not active enough to have fully tested this. Nor is this fully testable unless you set up multiple accounts and bid on your own coins to see all the results of the different scenarios, ie nearly impossible for anyone to discover other than internal ebay. It's also possible that this glitch does not happen every time, could be a random glitch that happens only under certain combinations of factors.
Mary bids $199.99 on an 83-CC Morgan.
Luigi wins it for $200 with an earlier bid, but it really only costs him $170 as he has 15% in Ebay bucks.
I know that the one cent thing works wjen your bid is more than one increment above the highnbid shown. You can't bid less than the next increment against a high bid that is shown, however.
For example, bidder A shows as high bid of $5 since no one has bid against them, bbut they have actually put in a bid of $10. If you bid $10.01 you will become high bidder at that bid.
That seems to work during regular bidding. Something may be changing in those last seconds of sniping. That is when my scenario happened to me.
If it’s happened this way it would definitely be a glitch. But are you sure there wasn’t another bid that bumped up the first bidder to their max right before or at the same time as yours, making yours invalid because it’s not a full increment higher? Sometimes the bids don’t show in sequential order and I’ve had that happen. So in the example above, there are 3 snipes that come in at 1 second. There is one that’s exactly 101, driving the initial bid to max but it was list 3 down from top. Then because the first bid was now 101, when your snipe fired, it would be rejected due to invalid increment. That’s more likely to me than a sitewide glitch.
That is because before your snipe, the high bid was $74.00, so your $76.01 snipe was greater than a full increment higher than $74.00 (increments at that amount are $1.00), and since your $76.01 was 1 cent higher than the underbidder's high bid AND there was at least a full bid increment between $74.00 and $76.01, your snipe registered and you won the auction by 1 cent. If his high bid were $75.02 or higher before your snipe (or in other words less than a full increment to your $76.01), your snipe would NOT have gone off and he'd have won the auction anywhere between for $75.02 and $76.00. In short, a snipe only goes off if the current high bid and the snipe amount are at least one bid increment apart.
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The current winning bidder would be winning at $89 in the above example, not $93, unless there was a reserve, which is the only time you'd see a difference greater than one full bid increment between the high bid and the next highest bid. In the example above, you, as anew bidder, would have to bid a minimum of $90, not $98, which is the next increment above $89. Above $100, the increments jump to $2.50 from $1, so as long as the high bid were lower than $100, your bid of $102 would win the auction. If the high bid were $100 or higher, your bid of $102 will not register because your high bid of $102 will not meet the threshold of $2.50 for the next bid increment.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
My example was fictional as I dont recall the exact numbers of my scenario. I was using easy numbers around 100 with a fictional bid increment of 5 to keep the numbers easy.
always take the bid increment into account when making a last minute bid. Bid just over it and you will when most auctions.
Exit bunker, enter Matrix. LOL
The point is being missed. The max bid when higher than the current bid is unknown. How are you suppsed to go 1 increment above it?
If the difference between the high bid and the next highest bid is less than one bid increment, then you know the high bid is that bidder's maximum bid. If the difference is greater than one bid increment, then you will not know what the high bidder's maximum is.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Got'cha . . . I think!
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
It could be a RAM
Random Aß Mistake
It may have happened but as a super rarely seen error
That's the only way I would bid $200 on a 83cc, knowing that I actually got it for $170, and it better be 64+/65 at that price lol
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By not sniping, and allowing yourself a little more time to react to their actual max bid.
This is a risk you take when you snipe.
Note: I'm a firm believer in sniping, and I add a little to my max bid to allow for the bid increment.
If I lose by a small amount, that's fine, too.
halfhunter.
villain $73 high bid
villain bids again $75, high bid $73
you bid $75.01, you win
64PL would work too.
I find the whole thread amusing, both as a buyer and seller on ebay for 20 years, regular bids and snipe bids.
Back up a moment and think about what is being said:
A total unnecessary luxury item more than $50 in most examples, and people are slicing bids at the cent level.
Really?
Just go nuclear and take it home.
@mustangmanbob said:
I find the whole thread amusing, both as a buyer and seller on ebay for 20 years, regular bids and snipe bids.
Back up a moment and think about what is being said:
A total unnecessary luxury item more than $50 in most examples, and people are slicing bids at the cent level.
Really?
Just go nuclear and take it home.
Totally agree with you.
In the case of $76.01 bidding; I would pull the trigger with 5 secs to go equipped with $100 as max bid and rest my case.
ebay aka fleaby is junk bay. It's an online flea market loaded with drecks. Buyers go there looking for bargains, why pay whole dollars for trash when it could be had at the cent level?
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BOOMIN!™
What is this with gyrating ninja all over the forum?
What can I say . . . I'm Cheap! 76.01 was the max I was willing to pay and that was with 8% bucks!
1947-P & D; 1948-D; 1949-P & S; 1950-D & S; and 1952-S.
Any help locating any of these OBW rolls would be gratefully appreciated!
Just a suggestion to beat that next bidder perhaps by only a few cents if he/she has only 5 secs to scramble....
This is what is supposed to happen. This is what everyone is agreeing should happen. This is what on one occasion did not happen to me. That is the definition of a glitch. When what is supposed to happen, doesnt happen. I am stating that in your example, I bid 75.01 and the win was given to 75.00...possibly because 75.01 was registered as not 1 full increment above and the system thinking erroneously that it should be? not really sure. But again, with a full understanding of what is supposed to happen as with your example, and understanding it fully that that is how it should work, I am saying it did not happen that way 1 time.
I may have nmissed an earlier post, but are you sure a third bidder was not there at the last minute to get the bid to 75?
Human nature. I've had people offer me $4.75 for a $4.99 item. Is it even worth their time to counter for 24 lousy cents? Everyone loves a sale.
I figured it out
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I have never had this issue.... I always use a nuclear snipe in the last 3 seconds and have always been successful....Cheers, RickO
What's hard is reconciling "dwindling interest in coins" with this much effort to get them.
This may have happened to me last night. Bidding on a Lincoln, placed bid at 20 seconds, confirmed at 10 seconds and the message was "ebay not responding". Lost the auction with a higher bid amount that wasn't accepted. Don't remember ever having this happen before. Usually pretty reliable internet service. My bid at 325 may have been too close to a prior bid by another bidder? Winning bid at 298 and change.