Union Gold Discovery in Pennsylvania???

ianrussell

This could be exciting, if they did find the gold.

Legend says a load of Union gold went missing during the Civil War. Did the FBI just find it?

ricko

Yep... there is another thread on this.... My belief is that as long as this has been rumored, I think someone already dug it up....and never said a word.... The motto of cache hunters is "Tell no one." Cheers, RickO

Outhaul

Three can keep a secret if two are dead.

SCDHunter

I first thought there was a typo in the title and this was about the Confederate gold in Michigan, now playing on the History Channel.

CaptHenway

Utter bilge. Ever heard of trains? Two tons of unminted gold would have traveled by train, not wagon.

Edited to add: And where would two tons of raw gold have come from in the Ohio Valley? California gold was refined and coined in San Francisco, or was sent to Philadelphia by sea via Panama.

I am reminded of another hogwash treasure story about a shipment of new Barber dimes from the Denver Mint that were lost in the Black Canyon of the Gunnison River when a stage coach went over the edge, despite the fact that a fine functioning railroad ran alongside the Gunnison River to handle the freight needs of the region at that time.

I guess B.S.'ers just like the romance of stage coaches and old wagons. Personally, if I were stealing two tons of loot, I would steal the wagons as well to move the dang stuff!

tommy44

Could it be buried under the Port-O-Potties at the end of the parking lot?

CaptHenway

@ricko said:
Yep... there is another thread on this.... My belief is that as long as this has been rumored, I think someone already dug it up....and never said a word.... The motto of cache hunters is "Tell no one." Cheers, RickO

Where is the other thread, please?

topstuf

Looks promising. It has the requisite structures that indicate buried treasure.

291fifth

The History Channel could probably do a three year long series on this.

ricko

@CaptHenway ....It was on the MD forum.... Cheers, RickO
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/996419/the-fbi-is-overseeing-a-hunt-for-buried-civil-war-gold-in-pennsylvania#latest

topstuf

@291fifth said:
The History Channel could probably do a three year long series on this.

I'd rather give them more time so we'd find out.

Timbuk3

I like it, interesting story !!!

mr1931S

I guess B.S.'ers just like the romance of stage coaches and old wagons. Personally, if I were stealing two tons of loot, I would steal the wagons as well to move the dang stuff!

That is a good point but why are mint-state 1907-D dimes so hard to find?

TwoSides2aCoin

Quantico assaying. Just saying.

WillieBoyd2

Jimmy Hoffa and his gold?

Boosibri

There is a story from the town I lived in in Ireland that goes something like this:

Date early 1900's...One of the workers at the castle in the village went to one of the houses on the grounds and murdered the group of six and stole £30,000 worth of gold. He fled across the castle ground and was caught a short time time later on the opposite side of the grounds but without the gold. There is a well along his path which was never searched and the city of Malahide filled in the well in the 90's never having searched it.

The man was hanged and was the last hanging in Ireland. His family still lived in town and frequented the pub called Duffy's and the subject of his innocence was always a "no-go" topic.

Metal detecting in Ireland is legal, finding something and removing it is illegal if historical. You still see many people on the grounds searching for the roughly $9.6M in sovereigns and guineas that £30,000 would have represented.

jwitten

@291fifth said:
The History Channel could probably do a three year long series on this.

They are on season 5 of curse of oak island... and still haven't found anything. I think they could turn a real treasure find into at least a decade long show!

CaptHenway

@Boosibri said:
There is a story from the town I lived in in Ireland that goes something like this:

Date early 1900's...One of the workers at the castle in the village went to one of the houses on the grounds and murdered the group of six and stole £30,000 worth of gold. He fled across the castle ground and was caught a short time time later on the opposite side of the grounds but without the gold. There is a well along his path which was never searched and the city of Malahide filled in the well in the 90's never having searched it.

The man was hanged and was the last hanging in Ireland. His family still lived in town and frequented the pub called Duffy's and the subject of his innocence was always a "no-go" topic.

Metal detecting in Ireland is legal, finding something and removing it is illegal if historical. You still see many people on the grounds searching for the roughly $9.6M in sovereigns and guineas that £30,000 would have represented.

Assuming 30,000 gold sovereigns, that is approximately 528 avoirdupois pounds. Quite a lot for one worker to carry.

These stories grow in the telling, but fade away in the math.

WildIdea

There is really no story until they have treasure to show.

Regulated

Well, now we know where the Saddle Ridge Hoard came from.

On a similar note, I just got to buy back one of my favorite pieces of buried treasure today - a Humbert Slug that was found by a collector digging for bottles in 1973 in the SF Financial district. When he showed it to me ten years ago, it was still encrusted in dirt and mineral stain. After I conserved it for him, it graded NGC MS65* (it's now CAC'd as well) - proof that incredible buried treasure does exist.

The big problem is that once you find it, there's no more suspense, which sort of kills the point of a TV show...

ricko

There must have been something that got the FBI involved.... not sure what that was... the story has been around forever and I am sure hundreds have searched for the gold. Cheers, RickO

shorecoll

There was supposedly a confederate gold payroll buried near the town I live in, but no one has ever reported finding it. I grew up in a town that was supposedly near the site where Blackbeard had a stash. Many people have searched for that, but it's in a swamp...and now all the markers are underwater.

Boosibri

@CaptHenway said:

@Boosibri said:
There is a story from the town I lived in in Ireland that goes something like this:

Date early 1900's...One of the workers at the castle in the village went to one of the houses on the grounds and murdered the group of six and stole £30,000 worth of gold. He fled across the castle ground and was caught a short time time later on the opposite side of the grounds but without the gold. There is a well along his path which was never searched and the city of Malahide filled in the well in the 90's never having searched it.

The man was hanged and was the last hanging in Ireland. His family still lived in town and frequented the pub called Duffy's and the subject of his innocence was always a "no-go" topic.

Metal detecting in Ireland is legal, finding something and removing it is illegal if historical. You still see many people on the grounds searching for the roughly $9.6M in sovereigns and guineas that £30,000 would have represented.

Assuming 30,000 gold sovereigns, that is approximately 528 avoirdupois pounds. Quite a lot for one worker to carry.

These stories grow in the telling, but fade away in the math.

It is Ireland, everything is a story with enough truth to make it fascinating

RogerB

RE: "Assuming 30,000 gold sovereigns, that is approximately 528 avoirdupois pounds. Quite a lot for one worker to carry. These stories grow in the telling, but fade away in the math."

But, maybe it was in super-light gold made by the leprechauns?

Boosibri

@RogerB said:
RE: "Assuming 30,000 gold sovereigns, that is approximately 528 avoirdupois pounds. Quite a lot for one worker to carry. These stories grow in the telling, but fade away in the math."

But, maybe it was in super-light gold made by the leprechauns?

Here is the real story: https://www.writing.ie/tell-your-own-story/the-malahide-murders-1926-by-mike-connolly/

CaptHenway

@Boosibri said:

@RogerB said:
RE: "Assuming 30,000 gold sovereigns, that is approximately 528 avoirdupois pounds. Quite a lot for one worker to carry. These stories grow in the telling, but fade away in the math."

But, maybe it was in super-light gold made by the leprechauns?

Here is the real story: https://www.writing.ie/tell-your-own-story/the-malahide-murders-1926-by-mike-connolly/

Much more plausible, in that it does not mention 30,000 gold sovereigns.

Kkathyl

I want to find something. Anyone else thinking about digging for gold?

RogerB

An eastern US gold field runs from about Potomac, MD to northern GA and a bit of Alabama. Several places (Goldvein, VA, etc.) offer placer mining opportunities. Old community beaches and amusement parks are good places to search with a metal detector.

Boosibri

@CaptHenway said:

@Boosibri said:

@RogerB said:
RE: "Assuming 30,000 gold sovereigns, that is approximately 528 avoirdupois pounds. Quite a lot for one worker to carry. These stories grow in the telling, but fade away in the math."

But, maybe it was in super-light gold made by the leprechauns?

Here is the real story: https://www.writing.ie/tell-your-own-story/the-malahide-murders-1926-by-mike-connolly/

Much more plausible, in that it does not mention 30,000 gold sovereigns.

The story I told is the legend around town. Small town Irish folklore. The truth may vary.

WillieBoyd2

From "Darby O'Gill and the Little People"

Gluggo

If I find the gold aint no way I am giving it to the FBI!

Justacommeman

@SCDHunter said:
I first thought there was a typo in the title and this was about the Confederate gold in Michigan, now playing on the History Channel.

Indeed. The premise is that when Jefferson Davis was arrested it was by the Michigan 4th. They supposedly confiscated all the confederate gold and hauled it back to Michigan. It then later sank in Lake Michigan.

Guess who is “funding” this? Marty Lagainis from Traverse City Michigan of Curse of OaK Island fame

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coinsarefun

@Justacommeman said:

Indeed. The premise is that when Jefferson Davis was arrested it was by the Michigan 4th. They supposedly confiscated all the confederate gold and hauled it back to Michigan. It then later sank in Lake Michigan.

Guess who is “funding” this? Marty Lagainis from Traverse City Michigan of Curse of OaK Island fame

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I thought it was him.

keets

there is a "Lost Treasure" of gold which is claimed to be buried two miles south of Fairport Harbor, Ohio on the west bank of the Grand River. that's about 10 miles from where I live and I have walked the banks fishing many, many times. the story is a mix of fact and what I suppose the Cap'n would call fiction.

the facts -- three men robbed a Canadian Bank of $50k in gold back in 1862 and made their way across Lake Erie by steamship to the modern day city of Fairport Harbor. that would seem to be an approximate 200lbs. and manageable by three men. after they arrived an argument took place during which two of the men were killed by the third. he made a death-bed confession along with the location of the buried gold.

the Legend --- it is buried two miles south of Fairport Harbor along the west bank of the Grand River where it makes a bend to the east(after running north/south). the location is supposed to be 30 paces due west of a huge Oak Tree.

the problem --- assuming everything is true and accurate, after the passage of more than 150 years the course of the river has changed and the tree is most probably long dead. the Legend is well established in local folklore so it may have already been found..........................if it even existed.

the hope --- death-bed confessions are typically reliable.