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AT OR NT Franklin half??

ad4400ad4400 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

Seems plausible in some respects but going truth CoinFacts Trueviews I don’t see many with the green, blue, purple, orange /gold transitions

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks NT.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks fine to me.

  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks NT to me.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the minority here.....not ready to say AT (but I think it is), but not market acceptable.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mannie gray said:
    I'm in the minority here.....not ready to say AT (but I think it is), but not market acceptable.

    Put me in the minority too. I have no clue but ironically if I only saw the reverse I would say NT but the obverse is what screams AT to me. Disclaimer: I know squat about toned coins, I hate everything about them and want to dip them all so what the hell do I know?

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not qualified to have an opinion as I know nothing about this subject either yet I'm going to post something here also. B)

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not see any pullback from letters and suspect the colors 'float' on half. I feel PCGS would go with 'questionable color' no matter what it is.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My personal thought is AT, but I’ll vote questionable/not market acceptable based on current standards.

  • RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I do not see any pullback from letters and suspect the colors 'float' on half. I feel PCGS would go with 'questionable color' no matter what it is.

    You are not going to see pullback on Franklins. That trait is quite overused.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the color pulls back from the letters on long term toning - almost a 'cameo' effect

  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭

    NT

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  • HadleydogHadleydog Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭

    AT.

  • zippcityzippcity Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭✭

    AT

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  • mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    AT

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2018 11:20AM

    On the fence here, but lean very slightly to NT. I'd grade it a 96.9 - Potential Damage from Huge Staples.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While the pictures in the OP are less than ideal, I would say that is natural tarnish....based on what I have seen and done with Franklins... Cheers, RickO

  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm with the AT crowd

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    the color pulls back from the letters on long term toning - almost a 'cameo' effect

    I need to disagree with this post as there is absolutely no "pull-back" on this coin.

    As for that characteristic on Franklins...(I'm not too sure about this as I never cared), I cannot recall seeing the same type of 'Pull-back" on Franklins as seen on Morgan's. Probably because the strike characteristics of the coins - Franklins are "softer."

  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭

    Likely AT

  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2018 7:32AM

    I also trudged through some of my Franklin photos looking for pullback toning... I didn't see anything that stood out.
    Still, I think your example is market acceptable as they say... I'm 50/50 myself. It looks slightly un-natural to me but I like it OK.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I must be using the wrong 'term', What is it called when the color is on the field and surrounds the letter but does not go onto the letter?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2018 8:54AM

    It is called toning. When there is a small area of untoned field next to the letter, It has several names but it seems that "pull away" has caught on.

    Note that the toning is next to and on the letters of your example.

  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2018 8:59AM

    To the original post, I would say AT, marginally market acceptable- I have a complete collection of toned Franklins, and I bought one that looks like this in an NGC holder to have one with this look.

    Oh, and BTW its a 60's something as well.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,577 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not for me

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    It is called toning. When there is a small area of untoned field next to the letter, It has several names but it seems that "pull away" has caught on.

    Note that the toning is next to and on the letters of your example.

    You are helpful beyond words..... I was thinking of elevation chromatics, can you see where the letters are different colors than surrounding fields?

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, thanks. I still have a lot to learn from you guys!! I've found this very helpful. Someone posted the link in another discussion: http://www.jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.asp

  • ad4400ad4400 Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to all for a lively debate, which was informative to me on the "pull back" terminology. Last night I cut the piece out of the flip and added it to my album

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NT

  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like it had some base toning and then got AT'd. Seeing that a lot lately.

  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @davewesen said:
    the color pulls back from the letters on long term toning - almost a 'cameo' effect

    I need to disagree with this post as there is absolutely no "pull-back" on this coin.

    As for that characteristic on Franklins...(I'm not too sure about this as I never cared), I cannot recall seeing the same type of 'Pull-back" on Franklins as seen on Morgan's. Probably because the strike characteristics of the coins - Franklins are "softer."

    In the 5+ years I’ve been collecting Franklins I’ve never seen pull away toning on a single one.

  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 681 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m in the AT camp. I might buy it raw if the price was OK but I would never submit it for grading as I would expect QC/AT.

  • machoponchomachoponcho Posts: 355 ✭✭✭

    Looks NT. Color progression is proper on both sides and is in classic loose target pattern. The colors also sit well on the surface, meaning they look deep into the surface. Sometimes purple does appear between orange and blue in the toning progression, and as long as it isn't too bright the companies call it NT.

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