@ChrisRx said:
If it's a trusted member here it wouldn't be an issue. If it's sol15g then... you gave a free loan at best...
I thought he had sold many lots on here with happy buyers.
Also your sig picture has been broken ever since photobucket took everyone's hosted pictures hostage.
Interesting ..... the original PP address he gave was his family member /relative .. which why he forgot to put his own address.....and why the PP deal went thru..... and why the wrong recipient remains quiet
WAs it a BST DEAL ????...
@ChrisRx said:
If it's a trusted member here it wouldn't be an issue. If it's sol15g then... you gave a free loan at best...
I thought he had sold many lots on here with happy buyers.
Ok I am confuse now. Does this incident has to do with sol15g? I was one of his earliest buyers just like Outhaul, Billson and MorganMan94. Everything turned out fine as far as I know.
If the payment was "accepted", then your account will show the account holder's name on your payment details. If it is just showing the email address, then chances are that there is not a PayPal account associated with the incorrect email address, and you can just cancel that payment.
The odds of a PayPal account being associated with a supposed "incorrect" email address are very slim. If there is an account associated, then it is most likely a scam as others have stated. And if that's the case, there is not much you can do to get your money back.
It does show a name. It was accepted. I sent an email in the hopes he does the right thing and returns the money. Seller has not responded to my PMs, though.
@ChrisRx said:
If it's a trusted member here it wouldn't be an issue. If it's sol15g then... you gave a free loan at best...
I thought he had sold many lots on here with happy buyers.
Ok I am confuse now. Does this incident has to do with sol15g? I was one of his earliest buyers just like Outhaul, Billson and MorganMan94. Everything turned out fine as far as I know.
What happened in the past may not be the future ..looks like now... PP sender is going to be S.O.L
Seller unresponsive to Outhaul communications ....
Sounds like a scam. I wonder if he/she has both email address claiming to never get the funds. Hope the best comes out of this transaction. I have accidentally put wrong emails and send money on Pay Pal, before only to recind the transaction both times with no problems.
As I expected, this was an honest mistake. The seller has honored the deal and I will send him the money if it’s recovered.
One point, though. I never said it was a scam. All I was asking for is how to maneuver through PayPal. It’s a lot of links that didn’t seem to lead me where I needed to go.
@Outhaul said:
As I expected, this was an honest mistake. The seller has honored the deal and I will send him the money if it’s recovered.
One point, though. I never said it was a scam. All I was asking for is how to maneuver through PayPal. It’s a lot of links that didn’t seem to lead me where I needed to go.
Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers
Bob
As ever the simplest explanation is the correct one.
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@Outhaul said:
As I expected, this was an honest mistake. The seller has honored the deal and I will send him the money if it’s recovered.
One point, though. I never said it was a scam. All I was asking for is how to maneuver through PayPal. It’s a lot of links that didn’t seem to lead me where I needed to go.
Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers
Bob
This is not aimed at you.
I HATE when people do this here. They jump to the conclusion it is a scam (or a counterfeit) immediately. Then they keep pounding away on that theme. It's hard enough to be a coin dealer without every tiny mistake being labeled as criminal.
And, on this thread, not only did they (wrongly) jump to the conclusion that it was a scam, they also started mentioning someone else by name WHO WASN'T EVEN A PARTY TO THE TRANSACTION and essentially accusing him of being responsible for the (nonexistent) scam.
@Outhaul said:
As I expected, this was an honest mistake. The seller has honored the deal and I will send him the money if it’s recovered.
One point, though. I never said it was a scam. All I was asking for is how to maneuver through PayPal. It’s a lot of links that didn’t seem to lead me where I needed to go.
Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers
Bob
Well this is good news and I am happy for both parties!
@Outhaul said:
As I expected, this was an honest mistake. The seller has honored the deal and I will send him the money if it’s recovered.
One point, though. I never said it was a scam. All I was asking for is how to maneuver through PayPal. It’s a lot of links that didn’t seem to lead me where I needed to go.
Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers
Bob
This is not aimed at you.
I HATE when people do this here. They jump to the conclusion it is a scam (or a counterfeit) immediately. Then they keep pounding away on that theme. It's hard enough to be a coin dealer without every tiny mistake being labeled as criminal.
And, on this thread, not only did they (wrongly) jump to the conclusion that it was a scam, they also started mentioning someone else by name WHO WASN'T EVEN A PARTY TO THE TRANSACTION and essentially accusing him of being responsible for the (nonexistent) scam.
@Lakesammman said:
Is the resolution posted here somewhere........
Not resolved IMO until the funds are recovered.
The OP is getting the coin. The funds are irrelevant to the OP as long as the coin arrives.
Will PayPal cover a transaction where the money is sent to the wrong email address? Sounds like a perfect setup for intentional fraud to me.
a FF,,, like a gift deal , for coin sale ,,,,PP says you 0n your own
What about regular PP? Will the make you whole if you send $$ to the wrong address? Whether PPFF or regular, I've never sent an invoice unless the buyer asks for one which they rarely or ever do. Also, there have been instances where PP covered or recovered funds from a PPFF deal.
@Lakesammman said:
Is the resolution posted here somewhere........
Not resolved IMO until the funds are recovered.
The OP is getting the coin. The funds are irrelevant to the OP as long as the coin arrives.
Will PayPal cover a transaction where the money is sent to the wrong email address? Sounds like a perfect setup for intentional fraud to me.
a FF,,, like a gift deal , for coin sale ,,,,PP says you 0n your own
What about regular PP? Will the make you whole if you send $$ to the wrong address? Whether PPFF or regular, I've never sent an invoice unless the buyer asks for one which they rarely or ever do. Also, there have been instances where PP covered or recovered funds from a PPFF deal.
@Lakesammman said:
Is the resolution posted here somewhere........
Not resolved IMO until the funds are recovered.
The OP is getting the coin. The funds are irrelevant to the OP as long as the coin arrives.
Will PayPal cover a transaction where the money is sent to the wrong email address? Sounds like a perfect setup for intentional fraud to me.
a FF,,, like a gift deal , for coin sale ,,,,PP says you 0n your own
What about regular PP? Will the make you whole if you send $$ to the wrong address? Whether PPFF or regular, I've never sent an invoice unless the buyer asks for one which they rarely or ever do. Also, there have been instances where PP covered or recovered funds from a PPFF deal.
After the PP/ebay split ?
Doesn't have to involve eBay. If I buy a coin from you on here using PP and you give me [intentionally or otherwise] a wrong email address and I don't get my money back will PP make me whole?
a FF,,, like a gift deal , for coin sale ,,,,PP says you 0n your own
What about regular PP? Will the make you whole if you send $$ to the wrong address? Whether PPFF or regular, I've never sent an invoice unless the buyer asks for one which they rarely or ever do. Also, there have been instances where PP covered or recovered funds from a PPFF deal.
Doubt it - which is why you should always respond to invoices not send money yourself. If you initiate a payment, it is no different than you handing $5 to someone on the street. You are considered a willing payer.
This is also why you should always use a credit card as a source for the money and not a PayPal balance. You can ALWAYS issue a chargeback and the credit card company will go after it.
a FF,,, like a gift deal , for coin sale ,,,,PP says you 0n your own
What about regular PP? Will the make you whole if you send $$ to the wrong address? Whether PPFF or regular, I've never sent an invoice unless the buyer asks for one which they rarely or ever do. Also, there have been instances where PP covered or recovered funds from a PPFF deal.
Doubt it - which is why you should always respond to invoices not send money yourself. If you initiate a payment, it is no different than you handing $5 to someone on the street. You are considered a willing payer.
This is also why you should always use a credit card as a source for the money and not a PayPal balance. You can ALWAYS issue a chargeback and the credit card company will go after it.
Then what was the point of anyone chastizing the OP for using PPFF when he likely would have no more coverage using reg PP? Do the PP rules require an invoice for coverage?
Doubt it - which is why you should always respond to invoices not send money yourself. If you initiate a payment, it is no different than you handing $5 to someone on the street. You are considered a willing payer.
This is also why you should always use a credit card as a source for the money and not a PayPal balance. You can ALWAYS issue a chargeback and the credit card company will go after it.
Then what was the point of anyone chastizing the OP for using PPFF when he likely would have no more coverage using reg PP? Do the PP rules require an invoice for coverage?
What I said then...and now...is that you should request an invoice and use a credit card. I didn't jump on the FF itself, although I don't think you can FF from a credit card. So, it sort of amounts to the same problem.
The other problem with the FF is that you really have no recourse because you can't tell PayPal that your seller sent you the wrong email address. It's supposed to be a "friend or family" member.
@UncleJoe said:
Is the coin "in the mail" or has it been received?
Joe.
The item is with FedEx. Should be here today, tomorrow at latest.
Just to make perfectly clear, the seller never denied culpability. We have been in contact. So, there has never been any doubt that I would get the item. My part (as the payer) is to assist the seller by working with PP to try and recover the funds.
Remember, from the beginning, I never stated anything about getting scammed. All I asked is if anyone experienced the same issue and what they, or PP did to resolve it. The seller is definitely trustworthy. It was an honest mistake. Many others here have read something into this that didn't exist.
My part (as the payer) is to assist the seller by working with PP to try and recover the funds.
Remember, from the beginning, I never stated anything about getting scammed. All I asked is if anyone experienced the same issue and what they, or PP did to resolve it. The seller is definitely trustworthy. It was an honest mistake. Many others here have read something into this that didn't exist.
Cheers
Bob
You mean people jumped to the wrong conclusion?!?!? That must be a first around here.
There is hope. It looks like the seller may be the one getting shortchanged, though. How will he be made whole , providing you get the item ? Or, is it a case where he loses ? There’s that other side of the coin, and me ...on the edge.
@Outhaul said:
The seller may indeed be out of pocket if the recipient of the funds chooses not to return them.
looks like happy conclusion..... .but many others deals may not have ended like this.
Odd.....Dealer readily ships coin without getting payment ...wonder if payment was 1st directed to friend , relative
Dealers do not easily part with their coins ,without money in hand
Did coin seller suggest Gift/FF as payment ?
@Outhaul said:
The seller may indeed be out of pocket if the recipient of the funds chooses not to return them.
looks like happy conclusion..... .but many others deals may not have ended like this.
Odd.....Dealer readily ships coin without getting payment ...wonder if payment was 1st directed to friend , relative
Dealers do not easily part with their coins ,without money in hand
Did coin seller suggest Gift/FF as payment ?
If you're in the Circle of Trust you don't have to have the $$$ in hand before you ship. A simple check is in the mail is good enough.
Yeah, now you have to convince a third party stranger that he won’t be scammed somehow
m
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a FF,,, like a gift deal , for coin sale ,,,,PP says you 0n your own
What about regular PP? Will the make you whole if you send $$ to the wrong address? Whether PPFF or regular, I've never sent an invoice unless the buyer asks for one which they rarely or ever do. Also, there have been instances where PP covered or recovered funds from a PPFF deal.
Doubt it - which is why you should always respond to invoices not send money yourself. If you initiate a payment, it is no different than you handing $5 to someone on the street. You are considered a willing payer.
This is also why you should always use a credit card as a source for the money and not a PayPal balance. You can ALWAYS issue a chargeback and the credit card company will go after it.
I agree yesterday I got a phone call from my credit card company. The pretty voiced lady was going good until she asked me to provide my credit card #! I jumped down her throat with How do I know your with the Credit Card company. She replyd she WAS! I said RIGHT and I am Donald TRump! I then told her to BUZZ OFF and I hanged UP ON HER! I felt good too!
I think we can all empathize with the seller now seeing as how he has shown admirable humility owning up to his mistake.
I sincerely hope he gets his funds.
LOL .... My dealer friend caught the idea of this thread immediately..... He never accepts coin sales dealing with a gift/FF .no pay transaction fee, using PayPaL .. The reason why ??? he said it is fraud...
I told him even some coin sellers chimed to this thread ,not saying in effect anything wrong with selling coins , ....asking for a No fee gift /FF payment.
LOL .... My dealer friend caught the idea of this thread immediately..... He never accepts coin sales dealing with a gift/FF .no pay transaction fee, using PayPaL .. The reason why ??? he said it is fraud...
I told him even some coin sellers chimed to this thread ,not saying in effect anything wrong with selling coins , ....asking for a No fee gift /FF payment.
It is essentially fraud. But that wasn't the topic under discussion in this thread. It violates the PayPal user's agreement.
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Interesting ..... the original PP address he gave was his family member /relative .. which why he forgot to put his own address.....and why the PP deal went thru..... and why the wrong recipient remains quiet
WAs it a BST DEAL ????...
...this
If I was the seller, I would still send the coin. If not, that’s a major red flag to me.
Ok I am confuse now. Does this incident has to do with sol15g? I was one of his earliest buyers just like Outhaul, Billson and MorganMan94. Everything turned out fine as far as I know.
If the payment was "accepted", then your account will show the account holder's name on your payment details. If it is just showing the email address, then chances are that there is not a PayPal account associated with the incorrect email address, and you can just cancel that payment.
The odds of a PayPal account being associated with a supposed "incorrect" email address are very slim. If there is an account associated, then it is most likely a scam as others have stated. And if that's the case, there is not much you can do to get your money back.
It does show a name. It was accepted. I sent an email in the hopes he does the right thing and returns the money. Seller has not responded to my PMs, though.
Cheers
Bob
What happened in the past may not be the future ..looks like now... PP sender is going to be S.O.L
Seller unresponsive to Outhaul communications ....
it is sol15g ??/
No, it's not. I have had great dealings with him.
Sounds like a scam. I wonder if he/she has both email address claiming to never get the funds. Hope the best comes out of this transaction. I have accidentally put wrong emails and send money on Pay Pal, before only to recind the transaction both times with no problems.
As I expected, this was an honest mistake. The seller has honored the deal and I will send him the money if it’s recovered.
One point, though. I never said it was a scam. All I was asking for is how to maneuver through PayPal. It’s a lot of links that didn’t seem to lead me where I needed to go.
Thanks for the assistance.
Cheers
Bob
Good to hear, Bob.!
SolG remains suspect.
This can't be a first of its type for PP.
Open a case as suggested.
And it has been helpful already.
Can't use a "send invoice" for FF but requesting an invoice is a great suggestion for typo avoidance.
As ever the simplest explanation is the correct one.
Latin American Collection
NO IT IS NOT!
Is the resolution posted here somewhere........
This is not aimed at you.
I HATE when people do this here. They jump to the conclusion it is a scam (or a counterfeit) immediately. Then they keep pounding away on that theme. It's hard enough to be a coin dealer without every tiny mistake being labeled as criminal.
And, on this thread, not only did they (wrongly) jump to the conclusion that it was a scam, they also started mentioning someone else by name WHO WASN'T EVEN A PARTY TO THE TRANSACTION and essentially accusing him of being responsible for the (nonexistent) scam.
Karma, people.
Not resolved IMO until the funds are recovered.
Absolutely right ....remember scammer promised to return money for many months
who wanted to do a FF deal ? Seller?
The OP is getting the coin. The funds are irrelevant to the OP as long as the coin arrives.
Well this is good news and I am happy for both parties!
Will PayPal cover a transaction where the money is sent to the wrong email address? Sounds like a perfect setup for intentional fraud to me.
a FF,,, like a gift deal , for coin sale ,,,,PP says you 0n your own
What about regular PP? Will the make you whole if you send $$ to the wrong address? Whether PPFF or regular, I've never sent an invoice unless the buyer asks for one which they rarely or ever do. Also, there have been instances where PP covered or recovered funds from a PPFF deal.
After the PP/ebay split ?
Doesn't have to involve eBay. If I buy a coin from you on here using PP and you give me [intentionally or otherwise] a wrong email address and I don't get my money back will PP make me whole?
Doubt it - which is why you should always respond to invoices not send money yourself. If you initiate a payment, it is no different than you handing $5 to someone on the street. You are considered a willing payer.
This is also why you should always use a credit card as a source for the money and not a PayPal balance. You can ALWAYS issue a chargeback and the credit card company will go after it.
Then what was the point of anyone chastizing the OP for using PPFF when he likely would have no more coverage using reg PP? Do the PP rules require an invoice for coverage?
What I said then...and now...is that you should request an invoice and use a credit card. I didn't jump on the FF itself, although I don't think you can FF from a credit card. So, it sort of amounts to the same problem.
The other problem with the FF is that you really have no recourse because you can't tell PayPal that your seller sent you the wrong email address. It's supposed to be a "friend or family" member.
Is the coin "in the mail" or has it been received?
Joe.
The item is with FedEx. Should be here today, tomorrow at latest.
Just to make perfectly clear, the seller never denied culpability. We have been in contact. So, there has never been any doubt that I would get the item. My part (as the payer) is to assist the seller by working with PP to try and recover the funds.
Remember, from the beginning, I never stated anything about getting scammed. All I asked is if anyone experienced the same issue and what they, or PP did to resolve it. The seller is definitely trustworthy. It was an honest mistake. Many others here have read something into this that didn't exist.
Cheers
Bob
My part (as the payer) is to assist the seller by working with PP to try and recover the funds.
You mean people jumped to the wrong conclusion?!?!? That must be a first around here.
There is hope. It looks like the seller may be the one getting shortchanged, though. How will he be made whole , providing you get the item ? Or, is it a case where he loses ? There’s that other side of the coin, and me ...on the edge.
The seller may indeed be out of pocket if the recipient of the funds chooses not to return them.
looks like happy conclusion..... .but many others deals may not have ended like this.
Odd.....Dealer readily ships coin without getting payment ...wonder if payment was 1st directed to friend , relative
Dealers do not easily part with their coins ,without money in hand
Did coin seller suggest Gift/FF as payment ?
Do we have it? I am excited
If you're in the Circle of Trust you don't have to have the $$$ in hand before you ship. A simple check is in the mail is good enough.
@bestday
He shipped because he readily accepted responsibility for his error. He’s a stand-up guy. We are both trying to recover his funds.
Cheers
Bob
https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/i-sent-money-to-the-wrong-email-address,-but-the-payment-is-completed.-what-do-i-do-faq1467
Yeah, now you have to convince a third party stranger that he won’t be scammed somehow
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Did seller suggest using Gift /Family /Friends ?
I agree yesterday I got a phone call from my credit card company. The pretty voiced lady was going good until she asked me to provide my credit card #! I jumped down her throat with How do I know your with the Credit Card company. She replyd she WAS! I said RIGHT and I am Donald TRump! I then told her to BUZZ OFF and I hanged UP ON HER! I felt good too!
I think we can all empathize with the seller now seeing as how he has shown admirable humility owning up to his mistake.
I sincerely hope he gets his funds.
all around collector of many fine things
Can you link PP rules for using family .....friend ..to send money ?
No
LOL .... My dealer friend caught the idea of this thread immediately..... He never accepts coin sales dealing with a gift/FF .no pay transaction fee, using PayPaL .. The reason why ??? he said it is fraud...
I told him even some coin sellers chimed to this thread ,not saying in effect anything wrong with selling coins , ....asking for a No fee gift /FF payment.
It is essentially fraud. But that wasn't the topic under discussion in this thread. It violates the PayPal user's agreement.
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