No one knows if they are going to be convicted or not. That's why there are trials, plea bargains, reduced or dismissed charges after discovery. Not to mention that CO Tennessee Dave is absolutely correct, time in a state prison beats the large inner city jails. Large inner city jails hold the worst of the worst awaiting trial. In a state prison, you can get 4 different levels of prisons in places, and not be housed with murderers, like you can be in a city/county jail.
You two really have no idea what you're talking about.
Actually, I do.
Work in a maximum security hell hole, , another time next door neighbor was a warden, and have a lot of police friends, city and county.
To RATIONAL people, the thought of getting out via bonding, hung jury, etc. is real and what WE think would happen. For many, after being in prison 3, 4, 8 times, there is no illusion, they know how it plays out, etc. When you see them working out 24 x 7, bulking up, you know they are getting ready for state prison and are trying to "move up" in the food chain.
In city or county, family can visit, easier than 1/2 way across the state, lawyer often has a office in the same building as the jail, etc.
I was a criminal defense attorney for 15 years (Indiana). I was Chief Public Defender most of that time. A lot of you here have no idea what you're talking about. State sentencing laws vary greatly. In Indiana for most felonies basically get 2 days credit for every one good day you serve. you end up serving half your time if you're a good boy. Recently Indiana stripped this right from criminals convicted of certain sex crimes (credit restricted felon), giving one day credit for every day served. That means you serve all of your time. I have no idea how Florida law translates to Indiana, but if its anything like here Shane will serve more time than you think. He will also likely have to register as a sexual offender for up to life. I tell you what that tag hurts. It restricts where you can work and live and restricts your exposure to minors. I have had clients who had to move clear out in the middle of nowhere because they cant live a certain distance from schools, daycare facilities, which includes most churches that have these programs. He's going to live in misery for the rest of his life, I can tell you that.
The complete segregation from "regular" criminals isn't true either. I have had clients that were moved prison to prison because they basically couldn't survive anywhere. Once word gets out of your conviction, which doesn't take long, its only a matter of time.
Most people who don't bond out try to stay at their local jail as long as possible because they can regularly see loved ones and relatives. Although, many states will not allow minor children to visit their parents. That's a different story in state prison. They usually allow minors to visit their parents. It is correct that most local jails are overcrowded and lack any segregation from the normal crowd which has its obvious downfalls.
@MorganMan94 said:
People who are convicted of child pornography or similar charges are kept in solitary confinement away from the general prison population. If Florida is like Iowa he can be out on parole with half his sentence served.
This isn't true. I worked in a maximum security prison in Florida with a speciality in sex offender work for several years. Shane will not receive special treatment because of his charges. Similarly, Shane will not automatically become Bubba's sexual plaything. There are multiple options for someone with these types of charges; unless he is young and pretty, or carries himself in an effeminate way he is not going to be the first choice for sexual release or prostitution. He may receive plenty of threats of such, he is likely to receive many threats of physical violence, and he is likely to be a victim of theft and general mistreatment, but full-on physical rape is much less common than is thought in popular culture. Coercion is most typically used to gain sexual access, and it is up to the mental/physical strength of the individual to dissuade potential suitors.
It is also true that county jail is much worse than state prison. Most inmates are happy to be transitioned to the state facility. That said, his experience will be very different based on the institution he ends up at. Given his charges and Florida's political leanings he will likely be sent up north to the stricter prisons.
Finally, unless Florida's laws have changed dramatically in the last several years, he will be forced to complete 80% of his sentence regardless of how good his behavior is. Whatever time is lost in prison is added to whatever probation was sentenced. For that reason, many career criminals will maintain perfect behavior for their entire prison stay and then start committing stupid infractions in order to lose their gain time, and thus not be on the hook for the costs of additional probation. Further, many probation officers (particularly with sex offenders) do whatever they can to violate the parolee back into prison. For many inmates, they see probation as effectively worse than serving their full sentence.
A stay in the Florida prison system is no joke. It's a serious affair and one that will forever alter whatever sense of self he has. I am out around $3,000 due to Shane's dishonesty; even so, I wouldn't wish this outcome on him for that. As for the child porn, that is another matter entirely and ultimately he needs serious help, locked away from causing any harm to children. Truthfully, he isn't going to find the help he needs in the Florida prison system. It's a nasty place, barely humane at all, and an environment I wouldn't be happy to subject anyone to. In his specific case, it may be the best currently available option, but ultimately I feel sad for him, disappointed, disgusted, and yes, sad. My only hope is that his daughter was not a victim of his disordered mind, and no actual children were harmed in any way.
I suspect states and counties are different as far as 'what is better'. It is sad because he took good pics of toners and had a decent following on ebay for awhile.
@MorganMan94 said:
People who are convicted of child pornography or similar charges are kept in solitary confinement away from the general prison population. If Florida is like Iowa he can be out on parole with half his sentence served.
This isn't true. I worked in a maximum security prison in Florida with a speciality in sex offender work for several years. Shane will not receive special treatment because of his charges. Similarly, Shane will not automatically become Bubba's sexual plaything. There are multiple options for someone with these types of charges; unless he is young and pretty, or carries himself in an effeminate way he is not going to be the first choice for sexual release or prostitution. He may receive plenty of threats of such, he is likely to receive many threats of physical violence, and he is likely to be a victim of theft and general mistreatment, but full-on physical rape is much less common than is thought in popular culture. Coercion is most typically used to gain sexual access, and it is up to the mental/physical strength of the individual to dissuade potential suitors.
It is also true that county jail is much worse than state prison. Most inmates are happy to be transitioned to the state facility. That said, his experience will be very different based on the institution he ends up at. Given his charges and Florida's political leanings he will likely be sent up north to the stricter prisons.
Finally, unless Florida's laws have changed dramatically in the last several years, he will be forced to complete 80% of his sentence regardless of how good his behavior is. Whatever time is lost in prison is added to whatever probation was sentenced. For that reason, many career criminals will maintain perfect behavior for their entire prison stay and then start committing stupid infractions in order to lose their gain time, and thus not be on the hook for the costs of additional probation. Further, many probation officers (particularly with sex offenders) do whatever they can to violate the parolee back into prison. For many inmates, they see probation as effectively worse than serving their full sentence.
A stay in the Florida prison system is no joke. It's a serious affair and one that will forever alter whatever sense of self he has. I am out around $3,000 due to Shane's dishonesty; even so, I wouldn't wish this outcome on him for that. As for the child porn, that is another matter entirely and ultimately he needs serious help, locked away from causing any harm to children. Truthfully, he isn't going to find the help he needs in the Florida prison system. It's a nasty place, barely humane at all, and an environment I wouldn't be happy to subject anyone to. In his specific case, it may be the best currently available option, but ultimately I feel sad for him, disappointed, disgusted, and yes, sad. My only hope is that his daughter was not a victim of his disordered mind, and no actual children were harmed in any way.
man, when you describe it like that, going to prison for 15 years for being a child sex offender doesn't sound so good anymore
@Wabbit2313 said:
That sentencing sheet is confusing. It looks like the minimum sentence should have been 37.5 years and he could have gotten LIFE.
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I know this is completely off topic, but...
I see the phrase "should of" rather than "should have" ALL THE TIME on social media and it is one of the more aggravating grammatical errors I notice. So when I was reading your post I had to do a double take over your use of "should have" because it actually looked strange to me.
Sad, really...
The crooked creep needed help years ago, surely he had many alarm bells he was ignoring. He could have limited his internet exposure to the public library, and there was a local library employee arrested for this recently: https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Westport-Man-Charged-with-Possession-of-Child-Pornography-471678353.html Since he went from bad to worse too bad he didn't junk his computer. As one great teacher said, if your right hand causes offense, cut if off! And "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Smut is bad news, with around 30% of the internet, but corruption of youths is unforgivable.
I know this is completely off topic, but...
I see the phrase "should of" rather than "should have" ALL THE TIME on social media and it is one of the more aggravating grammatical errors I notice. So when I was reading your post I had to do a double take over your use of "should have" because it actually looked strange to me.
Sad, really...
I don't mind that as much as people who don't understand when or how to use there/their/they're OR to/too. I'm not a grammar Nazi but I can't stand that.
@davewesen said:
I suspect states and counties are different as far as 'what is better'. It is sad because he took good pics of toners and had a decent following on ebay for awhile.
A lot of which were juiced. He consigned some of mine to Heritage and was even allowed to supply the pics. Didn't much look like what I'd remembered, but luckily none got returned.
As someone who did a little business with Shane through his earlier E-Bay sales days, we spoke a couple of times. I thought he had custody of a couple of children, post divorce.
I just pray that somehow his ex had those kids and that his downloading of that garbage was to sell it rather than consume it. This whole story is disappointing and disturbing.
If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
@ambro51 said:
“Yea, Verily, let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
You are right, but I first sinned at age 4 or 5. Damn that would be 65 years of a closed mind and mouth. I don't think my stone was the first, and likely will not be the last.
Good try,
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No one knows if they are going to be convicted or not. That's why there are trials, plea bargains, reduced or dismissed charges after discovery. Not to mention that CO Tennessee Dave is absolutely correct, time in a state prison beats the large inner city jails. Large inner city jails hold the worst of the worst awaiting trial. In a state prison, you can get 4 different levels of prisons in places, and not be housed with murderers, like you can be in a city/county jail.
You two really have no idea what you're talking about.
Actually, I do.
Work in a maximum security hell hole, , another time next door neighbor was a warden, and have a lot of police friends, city and county.
To RATIONAL people, the thought of getting out via bonding, hung jury, etc. is real and what WE think would happen. For many, after being in prison 3, 4, 8 times, there is no illusion, they know how it plays out, etc. When you see them working out 24 x 7, bulking up, you know they are getting ready for state prison and are trying to "move up" in the food chain.
In city or county, family can visit, easier than 1/2 way across the state, lawyer often has a office in the same building as the jail, etc.
However, I will choose to pass on both of them.
And the local/county jails may be more crowded and worse living conditions, but the state pen is where any jailhouse justice for his crimes will occur. It is less likely anyone in the local jails will know what he's in for until after convicted. Easier to blend in unnoticed. He's going to have it rough anywhere though as a 5'7 little plump ball looking like he does.
No one knows if they are going to be convicted or not. That's why there are trials, plea bargains, reduced or dismissed charges after discovery. Not to mention that CO Tennessee Dave is absolutely correct, time in a state prison beats the large inner city jails. Large inner city jails hold the worst of the worst awaiting trial. In a state prison, you can get 4 different levels of prisons in places, and not be housed with murderers, like you can be in a city/county jail.
You two really have no idea what you're talking about.
Actually, I do.
Work in a maximum security hell hole, , another time next door neighbor was a warden, and have a lot of police friends, city and county.
To RATIONAL people, the thought of getting out via bonding, hung jury, etc. is real and what WE think would happen. For many, after being in prison 3, 4, 8 times, there is no illusion, they know how it plays out, etc. When you see them working out 24 x 7, bulking up, you know they are getting ready for state prison and are trying to "move up" in the food chain.
In city or county, family can visit, easier than 1/2 way across the state, lawyer often has a office in the same building as the jail, etc.
However, I will choose to pass on both of them.
And the local/county jails may be more crowded and worse living conditions, but the state pen is where any jailhouse justice for his crimes will occur. It is less likely anyone in the local jails will know what he's in for until after convicted. Easier to blend in unnoticed. He's going to have it rough anywhere though as a 5'7 little plump ball looking like he does.
Looks like Shane is going to have to learn those lessons the hard way too. Maybe he can draw strength from your survivorship
No one knows if they are going to be convicted or not. That's why there are trials, plea bargains, reduced or dismissed charges after discovery. Not to mention that CO Tennessee Dave is absolutely correct, time in a state prison beats the large inner city jails. Large inner city jails hold the worst of the worst awaiting trial. In a state prison, you can get 4 different levels of prisons in places, and not be housed with murderers, like you can be in a city/county jail.
You two really have no idea what you're talking about.
Actually, I do.
Work in a maximum security hell hole, , another time next door neighbor was a warden, and have a lot of police friends, city and county.
To RATIONAL people, the thought of getting out via bonding, hung jury, etc. is real and what WE think would happen. For many, after being in prison 3, 4, 8 times, there is no illusion, they know how it plays out, etc. When you see them working out 24 x 7, bulking up, you know they are getting ready for state prison and are trying to "move up" in the food chain.
In city or county, family can visit, easier than 1/2 way across the state, lawyer often has a office in the same building as the jail, etc.
However, I will choose to pass on both of them.
And the local/county jails may be more crowded and worse living conditions, but the state pen is where any jailhouse justice for his crimes will occur. It is less likely anyone in the local jails will know what he's in for until after convicted. Easier to blend in unnoticed. He's going to have it rough anywhere though as a 5'7 little plump ball looking like he does.
Looks like Shane is going to have to learn those lessons the hard way too. Maybe he can draw strength from your survivorship
It's a little easier from the right side of the bars.
No one knows if they are going to be convicted or not. That's why there are trials, plea bargains, reduced or dismissed charges after discovery. Not to mention that CO Tennessee Dave is absolutely correct, time in a state prison beats the large inner city jails. Large inner city jails hold the worst of the worst awaiting trial. In a state prison, you can get 4 different levels of prisons in places, and not be housed with murderers, like you can be in a city/county jail.
You two really have no idea what you're talking about.
Actually, I do.
Work in a maximum security hell hole, , another time next door neighbor was a warden, and have a lot of police friends, city and county.
To RATIONAL people, the thought of getting out via bonding, hung jury, etc. is real and what WE think would happen. For many, after being in prison 3, 4, 8 times, there is no illusion, they know how it plays out, etc. When you see them working out 24 x 7, bulking up, you know they are getting ready for state prison and are trying to "move up" in the food chain.
In city or county, family can visit, easier than 1/2 way across the state, lawyer often has a office in the same building as the jail, etc.
However, I will choose to pass on both of them.
And the local/county jails may be more crowded and worse living conditions, but the state pen is where any jailhouse justice for his crimes will occur. It is less likely anyone in the local jails will know what he's in for until after convicted. Easier to blend in unnoticed. He's going to have it rough anywhere though as a 5'7 little plump ball looking like he does.
Looks like Shane is going to have to learn those lessons the hard way too. Maybe he can draw strength from your survivorship
It's a little easier from the right side of the balls.
It is ok to be interested in the disordered mind. It is perfectly normal to be repulsed by the behavior these individuals may commit. Intelligent discussion of how to handle these individuals in a way that is best for society is wonderful (in a different forum). It is another thing entirely to harbor malice and wish ill will on these individuals. Comments that glorify the abuse you think will/should take place as vengeance or retribution are nothing short of disgusting.
Frankly, I think many posters in this thread should be ashamed. It's not amusing or funny in the slightest.
Unlike another poster, I'm not of the opinion that all wrongdoings are equal, but chances are, someone you know and love has had thoughts of committing an act that the rest of society finds deplorable. While there is a big difference between thought and behavior, these disordered acts are closer to you than you may realize. You wouldn't want to see your loved one abused in prison or hear people talking about it with merriment; so stop reveling in what you think is going to happen to Shane.
We should stand strongly against such behavior while having as much compassion as we can for the human being that Shane is.
@bronco2078 said:
Still not hearing enough complaints about the fake toners he peddled , in fact the silence on that is deafening.
Between 2012 and 2017 I bought almost 50 toned coins from kryptonitecomics' eBay auctions. Currently all are PCGS graded. I was completely satisfied with all of them then and still am.
During the last year or two of his auctions I did notice the presence of AT looking raw mint sets and Morgan dollars. From what he said, these were all consignments. Events turned south not long after that.
@bronco2078 said:
Still not hearing enough complaints about the fake toners he peddled , in fact the silence on that is deafening.
Most of the toners he sold were certified and on consignment (including mine). Please post an example of one of the "fake toners" he peddeled - I don't recall any.
The 'consignee' should have refused to sell on the behalf of a suspected doctored coin under consignment, especially someone with knowledge of how coins naturally tone.
He did. At least back in '05.
Saw it at FUN as he sold a raw, AT, coin to a father son combo without disclosing it was AT. He told them all about toning, how it happens (naturally), and how it raises the "value" of coins. It was relatively cheap, still under $50, for what he sold them back then, but it wasn't right.
I had to move on before they finished talking, as I talked to him just prior and was at a table next to him, which is how I heard the conversation, but didn't have the time, nor inclination, to hang around for their casual chatting after he showed them the coin and they said they would buy it. They have bought more or may not have, after I left.
That was my first real show (even before I went to many local ones), and I was a dear lost in headlights on what coin show etiquette was and dealers to trust. It was at that point, I learned one NOT to trust though.....
So, I don't know other AT instances, but I would stake my stash on the one I did witness.
(when he and I were discussing coins when I stopped at his table, I introduced myself as a forum member...and we DID talk about AT coins and he DID show me some he had and said they were AT (but that he got them that way) and one of these was the one he sold that father and son).
@bronco2078 said:
Still not hearing enough complaints about the fake toners he peddled , in fact the silence on that is deafening.
Most of the toners he sold were certified and on consignment (including mine). Please post an example of one of the "fake toners" he peddeled - I don't recall any.
@bronco2078 said:
Still not hearing enough complaints about the fake toners he peddled , in fact the silence on that is deafening.
Most of the toners he sold were certified and on consignment (including mine). Please post an example of one of the "fake toners" he peddeled - I don't recall any.
How is that reassuring? Plenty of AT dreck in holders selling on ebay every day.
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Actually, I do.
Work in a maximum security hell hole, , another time next door neighbor was a warden, and have a lot of police friends, city and county.
To RATIONAL people, the thought of getting out via bonding, hung jury, etc. is real and what WE think would happen. For many, after being in prison 3, 4, 8 times, there is no illusion, they know how it plays out, etc. When you see them working out 24 x 7, bulking up, you know they are getting ready for state prison and are trying to "move up" in the food chain.
In city or county, family can visit, easier than 1/2 way across the state, lawyer often has a office in the same building as the jail, etc.
However, I will choose to pass on both of them.
Sure, I'll bet. He is doing 15 years from a deal he took immediately without even considering a trial. You lose.
Actually you lose, trying to be a Google lawyer. Here's your grade...FAIL. Thanks for playing.
You would've taken a 20 year deal, based on the lack of intelligence reflected in your posts.
I think Shane is smarter than you
LMAO
While reading this thread I kept thinking about "Soap On A Rope"
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I was a criminal defense attorney for 15 years (Indiana). I was Chief Public Defender most of that time. A lot of you here have no idea what you're talking about. State sentencing laws vary greatly. In Indiana for most felonies basically get 2 days credit for every one good day you serve. you end up serving half your time if you're a good boy. Recently Indiana stripped this right from criminals convicted of certain sex crimes (credit restricted felon), giving one day credit for every day served. That means you serve all of your time. I have no idea how Florida law translates to Indiana, but if its anything like here Shane will serve more time than you think. He will also likely have to register as a sexual offender for up to life. I tell you what that tag hurts. It restricts where you can work and live and restricts your exposure to minors. I have had clients who had to move clear out in the middle of nowhere because they cant live a certain distance from schools, daycare facilities, which includes most churches that have these programs. He's going to live in misery for the rest of his life, I can tell you that.
The complete segregation from "regular" criminals isn't true either. I have had clients that were moved prison to prison because they basically couldn't survive anywhere. Once word gets out of your conviction, which doesn't take long, its only a matter of time.
Most people who don't bond out try to stay at their local jail as long as possible because they can regularly see loved ones and relatives. Although, many states will not allow minor children to visit their parents. That's a different story in state prison. They usually allow minors to visit their parents. It is correct that most local jails are overcrowded and lack any segregation from the normal crowd which has its obvious downfalls.
Rumor has it they like them his size.
This isn't true. I worked in a maximum security prison in Florida with a speciality in sex offender work for several years. Shane will not receive special treatment because of his charges. Similarly, Shane will not automatically become Bubba's sexual plaything. There are multiple options for someone with these types of charges; unless he is young and pretty, or carries himself in an effeminate way he is not going to be the first choice for sexual release or prostitution. He may receive plenty of threats of such, he is likely to receive many threats of physical violence, and he is likely to be a victim of theft and general mistreatment, but full-on physical rape is much less common than is thought in popular culture. Coercion is most typically used to gain sexual access, and it is up to the mental/physical strength of the individual to dissuade potential suitors.
It is also true that county jail is much worse than state prison. Most inmates are happy to be transitioned to the state facility. That said, his experience will be very different based on the institution he ends up at. Given his charges and Florida's political leanings he will likely be sent up north to the stricter prisons.
Finally, unless Florida's laws have changed dramatically in the last several years, he will be forced to complete 80% of his sentence regardless of how good his behavior is. Whatever time is lost in prison is added to whatever probation was sentenced. For that reason, many career criminals will maintain perfect behavior for their entire prison stay and then start committing stupid infractions in order to lose their gain time, and thus not be on the hook for the costs of additional probation. Further, many probation officers (particularly with sex offenders) do whatever they can to violate the parolee back into prison. For many inmates, they see probation as effectively worse than serving their full sentence.
A stay in the Florida prison system is no joke. It's a serious affair and one that will forever alter whatever sense of self he has. I am out around $3,000 due to Shane's dishonesty; even so, I wouldn't wish this outcome on him for that. As for the child porn, that is another matter entirely and ultimately he needs serious help, locked away from causing any harm to children. Truthfully, he isn't going to find the help he needs in the Florida prison system. It's a nasty place, barely humane at all, and an environment I wouldn't be happy to subject anyone to. In his specific case, it may be the best currently available option, but ultimately I feel sad for him, disappointed, disgusted, and yes, sad. My only hope is that his daughter was not a victim of his disordered mind, and no actual children were harmed in any way.
I suspect states and counties are different as far as 'what is better'. It is sad because he took good pics of toners and had a decent following on ebay for awhile.
It's nice to see a response so well crafted. Sorry about your monetary lose!
Interesting thread.
I'm glad he's behind bars and thankful I never did any transaction with him.
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max 15 years for each offense X 34 = 510
Note: it looks like the Judges notes, harshest penalty.
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man, when you describe it like that, going to prison for 15 years for being a child sex offender doesn't sound so good anymore
I bought one coin from him. I don’t really want it anymore.
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I find the whole thing sad and disgusting.
I know this is completely off topic, but...
I see the phrase "should of" rather than "should have" ALL THE TIME on social media and it is one of the more aggravating grammatical errors I notice. So when I was reading your post I had to do a double take over your use of "should have" because it actually looked strange to me.
Sad, really...
The crooked creep needed help years ago, surely he had many alarm bells he was ignoring. He could have limited his internet exposure to the public library, and there was a local library employee arrested for this recently: https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Westport-Man-Charged-with-Possession-of-Child-Pornography-471678353.html Since he went from bad to worse too bad he didn't junk his computer. As one great teacher said, if your right hand causes offense, cut if off! And "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Smut is bad news, with around 30% of the internet, but corruption of youths is unforgivable.
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And that's why they call it a plea bargain. I suspect the sheet is done up to show what could be and used as a brick in the 'negotiations'.
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I don't mind that as much as people who don't understand when or how to use there/their/they're OR to/too. I'm not a grammar Nazi but I can't stand that.
"Jared" of Subway sandwich fame got 15 years as well. At least they are consistent in Florida . . .
Special place in hell for these people. Sorry but I have 0 remorse for these types of people.
Have fun in prison. They love people like you.
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How appropriate his "can" is "up" the creek.
Sorry I had to chime in
A lot of which were juiced. He consigned some of mine to Heritage and was even allowed to supply the pics. Didn't much look like what I'd remembered, but luckily none got returned.
As someone who did a little business with Shane through his earlier E-Bay sales days, we spoke a couple of times. I thought he had custody of a couple of children, post divorce.
I just pray that somehow his ex had those kids and that his downloading of that garbage was to sell it rather than consume it. This whole story is disappointing and disturbing.
Yea. There's another one right behind him. Does this tell you people anything? About..........
Geeez !!!
in total this is a pretty pathetic thread that should be deleted along with several of the accounts associated with it.
“Yea, Verily, let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
You are right, but I first sinned at age 4 or 5. Damn that would be 65 years of a closed mind and mouth. I don't think my stone was the first, and likely will not be the last.
Good try,
bob
Should've gone to jail for the juiced pic of the coin I bought.
Wow it’s so sad that a market exist for this stuff. Sick twisted.
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And the local/county jails may be more crowded and worse living conditions, but the state pen is where any jailhouse justice for his crimes will occur. It is less likely anyone in the local jails will know what he's in for until after convicted. Easier to blend in unnoticed. He's going to have it rough anywhere though as a 5'7 little plump ball looking like he does.
Looks like Shane is going to have to learn those lessons the hard way too. Maybe he can draw strength from your survivorship
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It's a little easier from the right side of the bars.
Fixed your typo for you
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
And not an education I'd like to see first hand. I hope there's no lab requirement.
A bit late, but on behalf of our dear, departed Russ, I feel compelled to hurl a "Fresh Meat!" in Shane's direction.
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Still not hearing enough complaints about the fake toners he peddled , in fact the silence on that is deafening.
ahhh, missing the numismatic relevance of this post.
While a person may have some macabre fascination with other peoples sexuality, certainly does not make it OK to talk about it here.
Shane!
Shane, come back!
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It is ok to be interested in the disordered mind. It is perfectly normal to be repulsed by the behavior these individuals may commit. Intelligent discussion of how to handle these individuals in a way that is best for society is wonderful (in a different forum). It is another thing entirely to harbor malice and wish ill will on these individuals. Comments that glorify the abuse you think will/should take place as vengeance or retribution are nothing short of disgusting.
Frankly, I think many posters in this thread should be ashamed. It's not amusing or funny in the slightest.
Unlike another poster, I'm not of the opinion that all wrongdoings are equal, but chances are, someone you know and love has had thoughts of committing an act that the rest of society finds deplorable. While there is a big difference between thought and behavior, these disordered acts are closer to you than you may realize. You wouldn't want to see your loved one abused in prison or hear people talking about it with merriment; so stop reveling in what you think is going to happen to Shane.
We should stand strongly against such behavior while having as much compassion as we can for the human being that Shane is.
Between 2012 and 2017 I bought almost 50 toned coins from kryptonitecomics' eBay auctions. Currently all are PCGS graded. I was completely satisfied with all of them then and still am.
During the last year or two of his auctions I did notice the presence of AT looking raw mint sets and Morgan dollars. From what he said, these were all consignments. Events turned south not long after that.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
Most of the toners he sold were certified and on consignment (including mine). Please post an example of one of the "fake toners" he peddeled - I don't recall any.
What ever was done is wrong and horrible. I wish we could just back to discussing coins. This is a disturbing thread.
The 'consignee' should have refused to sell on the behalf of a suspected doctored coin under consignment, especially someone with knowledge of how coins naturally tone.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
He did. At least back in '05.
Saw it at FUN as he sold a raw, AT, coin to a father son combo without disclosing it was AT. He told them all about toning, how it happens (naturally), and how it raises the "value" of coins. It was relatively cheap, still under $50, for what he sold them back then, but it wasn't right.
I had to move on before they finished talking, as I talked to him just prior and was at a table next to him, which is how I heard the conversation, but didn't have the time, nor inclination, to hang around for their casual chatting after he showed them the coin and they said they would buy it. They have bought more or may not have, after I left.
That was my first real show (even before I went to many local ones), and I was a dear lost in headlights on what coin show etiquette was and dealers to trust. It was at that point, I learned one NOT to trust though.....
So, I don't know other AT instances, but I would stake my stash on the one I did witness.
(when he and I were discussing coins when I stopped at his table, I introduced myself as a forum member...and we DID talk about AT coins and he DID show me some he had and said they were AT (but that he got them that way) and one of these was the one he sold that father and son).
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
15 years is a "walk in the park." He should have gotten life w/no parole, plus restitution for those he scammed.
How is that reassuring? Plenty of AT dreck in holders selling on ebay every day.